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Asif vs Steyn

Sir Alex

Banned
Steyn because he has taken more wickets. He will become SA's greatest ever bowler should he continue like thes.
 

akilana

International 12th Man
It's like comparing little more consistent Sehwag and A Cook..

Steyn is simply better. I'd pick him everytime over Asif against any team anywhere. Steyn's got more tools than Asif.

I can't recall many Asif's special like I can recall Steyn's special.. There was once against India and recently in Australia in a favourable condition.. He went missing in the second innings.. Steyn's simply awesome.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
It's like comparing little more consistent Sehwag and A Cook..

Steyn is simply better. I'd pick him everytime over Asif against any team anywhere. Steyn's got more tools than Asif.

I can't recall many Asif's special like I can recall Steyn's special.. There was once against India and recently in Australia in a favourable condition.. He went missing in the second innings.. Steyn's simply awesome.
26 overs 2-53 is going missing?
 

thierry henry

International Coach
If you take in to account the fielding and catching (and maybe the pitches) that these two have to contend with, I think you could make an argument that Asif's average (obviously he doesn't have the number of wickets under his belt yet) might well be substantially better than Steyn's, all things being equal.

Personally I reckon Asif is a bit more "special" than Steyn. Of course, most people equate "special" or "x-factor" with extra pace.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
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If you take in to account the fielding and catching (and maybe the pitches) that these two have to contend with, I think you could make an argument that Asif's average (obviously he doesn't have the number of wickets under his belt yet) might well be substantially better than Steyn's, all things being equal.

Personally I reckon Asif is a bit more "special" than Steyn. Of course, most people equate "special" or "x-factor" with extra pace.
Asaif has been lucy that he has not played on many sub cont roads and when he has played he has been steady rater then threatening.

The most interesting stat I find.


Averages Overall #1-#6 #7-#11
Steyn 23.05 29.36 14.70
Asif 23.20 24.27 20.25
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
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Asaif has been lucy that he has not played on many sub cont roads and when he has played he has been steady rater then threatening.

The most interesting stat I find.


Averages Overall #1-#6 #7-#11
Steyn 23.05 29.36 14.70
Asif 23.20 24.27 20.25
Must be the number of wickets taken so far, because all other things being equal, Asif blows Steyn away with that stat. Theres a Wasim vs McGrath thread somewhere that was all about that stat.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Must be the number of wickets taken so far, because all other things being equal, Asif blows Steyn away with that stat. Theres a Wasim vs McGrath thread somewhere that was all about that stat.
Does he though? I bet Steyn's strike rate is still probably better than Asif in knocking over #1-6 he'll just go for more runs like most genuinely fast men.

Big fan of both these guys, and choosing who is better is really hard for me to do. Really depends on the conditions, Asif on a seamer would be immense.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Does he though? I bet Steyn's strike rate is still probably better than Asif in knocking over #1-6 he'll just go for more runs like most genuinely fast men.

Big fan of both these guys, and choosing who is better is really hard for me to do. Really depends on the conditions, Asif on a seamer would be immense.
Well, 80% of Asif's wickets are #1-7, and 64% of Steyn's wickets are #1-7. I don't know how the average breakup has been derived there, but I'd say the difference in strike rate becomes insignificant if 80% of Asif's victims are top order wickets at 24, compared to Steyn's 64% at 29. Its not like Asif's strike rate is too far off Steyn's too. Wild guess - I'd say cheap and quick lower order wickets might be the reason for the difference in strike rates.

I'd still rate Steyn ahead of Asif at this point, but it'd be purely on the basis of more wickets taken.
 
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Athlai

Not Terrible
Well, 80% of Asif's wickets are #1-7, and 64% of Steyn's wickets are #1-7. I don't know how the average breakup has been derived there, but I'd say the difference in strike rate becomes insignificant if 80% of Asif's victims are top order wickets at 24, compared to Steyn's 64% at 29. Its not like Asif's strike rate is too far off Steyn's too. Wild guess - I'd say cheap and quick lower order wickets might be the reason for the difference in strike rates.

I'd still rate Steyn ahead of Asif at this point, but it'd be purely on the basis of more wickets taken.
Would say Asif's technique isn't as suited to skittling out tailenders.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Just noticed, Steyn has a wpm of 5.2 to Asif's 4.88. Asif bowls 4 overs extra per match. That certainly makes it a tad more interesting.
 
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G.I.Joe

International Coach
Would say Asif's technique isn't as suited to skittling out tailenders.
It doesn't need to be unsuitable. Perhaps his technique is just more suited to skittling out top order batsmen, the sort who are actually troubled the the corridor of uncertainty and subtle line changes etc :p
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Actually this could have been a comparison if Asif had around 150 sticks atm its like if we start comparing G.Gambhir to V. Sehwag.
 
Steyn has dismissed batsmen for a duck 43 times and Asif has on 6 occasions.

Steyn has dismissed batsmen bowled or a duck 14 times and Asif is yet to do it.

These stats prove nothing and are for interest only.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Steyn has dismissed batsmen for a duck 43 times and Asif has on 6 occasions.

Steyn has dismissed batsmen bowled or a duck 14 times and Asif is yet to do it.

These stats prove nothing and are for interest only.
Suggests that Steyn is more dangerous earlier in the batsmen's innings and less capable than Asif in prying out batsmen once they're set.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Wow some interesting ideas exchanged here.. One thing to consider though is, the kind of spell Steyn produced in this test match is a special case that happens once in a while. Its like Shoaib's 5-16 vs Australia in 2002. You cant keep doing those things over and over again. It happens once or twice in a great bowler's career..
Asif on the other hand, due to his different approach, is more likely to get a 5 wicket haul against a team like South Africa, Australia or India just like McGrath, he will be more consistent. Steyn on the other hand will have a match like Centurion from time to time because he will be coming back from an injury, and will take some time to get that pace up, get the rythm right.
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
The stat which suggests that Asif does allot better against the top-order batsman then Steyn pretty much speaks for itself, IMO. Interesting how both bowlers have struggled early on in their ODI careers to replicate similar success to what they've acchieved in the longer format.
 

Sir Alex

Banned
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Asaif has been lucy that he has not played on many sub cont roads and when he has played he has been steady rater then threatening.

The most interesting stat I find.


Averages Overall #1-#6 #7-#11
Steyn 23.05 29.36 14.70
Asif 23.20 24.27 20.25
Wow that is interesting! As GIJoe said it is now only that Steyn has taken more wickets that he is slightly ahead.
 

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