*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand

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Vettori was 18 when he made his international debut. Whilst I don't think age should be a restriction on selecting a player, I also don't think you can use the argument that if 'you're good enough, you're old enough' to every player - for instance take Martin Crowe who debuted at 19 and repeatedly claims he was picked a couple of years too early to be facing international attacks.

Ken Rutherford, too. And the damage his early failures did to his confidence arguably had a substantial impact on the rest of his career.

 

[cbuts]

Yeah, let's pick Williamson and bat him at six or seven, that will work Broom's been totally screwed over by the selectors during his international career, hopefully nobody else get's this type of treatment in the coming years.

obvoiusly youd bat him at either 3 or 5. Guptil could possibly benift from going down the order. Franklin would then go to 6

Once everyone is fit, id like to see

Ingram
Ryder
Guptil/Williamson
Taylor
Guptill/Williamson
McCullum
Oram
Vetorri
Mills
Butler/McKay
Bond

 

[Somerset]

Guptil could possibly benift from going down the order. Franklin would then go to 6

Really? I think Guptill's suited to where hes currently positioned for Auckland and New Zealand, i.e.opening the batting or at number three - after all, thats where hes found success in limited overs cricket, scored his debut ODI century and in more recent times, the 150-odd for Auckland in the domestic one day competition. Personally, I'd rather not force him to adjust his game by batting him lower in the order.

Regarding Franklin, apparently Vettori is keen for him to bat at number five for a reasonable period - take what you want from that for how long that is - though I do tend to get the impression he'd be better pushed down a spot or two once he gets back to sharing a full bowling workload.

 

[cbuts]

Broom has batted above number 6 twice in those 18 innings, 10 times at six (at least 1 position too low) and 6 times at 7. So only 2 innings has he batted in a position that suits him.

Also, he's spent most of his list A career batting at number 4 for the Volts, in the past couple of seasons he's been shifted down to 5 a bit, but the majority has been at 4.

Alright guys - i think we have solved the problem around Broom. We need to drop Taylor, so Broom can bat 4

Mate if Broom cant bat 6/7 he has to go, at the moment thats where the gap in this team is

 

[cbuts]

Really? I think Guptill's suited to where hes currently positioned for Auckland and New Zealand, i.e.opening the batting or at number three - after all, thats where hes found success in limited overs cricket, scored his debut ODI century and in more recent times, the 150-odd for Auckland in the domestic one day competition. Personally, I'd rather not force him to adjust his game by batting him lower in the order.

Regarding Franklin, apparently Vettori is keen for him to bat at number five for a reasonable period - take what you want from how long that is - though I do tend to get the impression he'd be better pushed down a spot or two once he gets back to sharing a full bowling workload.

Does anyone have any confidence in a middle order of Franklin/Broom?

idealy id put Williamson at 5.

 

[cbuts]

Ken Rutherford, too. And the damage his early failures did to his confidence arguably had a substantial impact on the rest of his career.

his case was a little bit different - facing arguably the fastest ever bowling attack on dicey carrabean pitches....

 

[Howsie]

Alright guys - i think we have solved the problem around Broom. We need to drop Taylor, so Broom can bat 4

Mate if Broom cant bat 6/7 he has to go, at the moment thats where the gap in this team is

That's fair enough. It's the people that say he's an average batsmen because of his innings at six/seven that get to me.

 

[Flem274*]

Test side named today. This article suggests we'll stick with the bulk of the side that played Pakistan.

Cricket: Limited-over whitewashes little help for test selectors - Cricket - NZ Herald News

Anyway, a real concern that we only have these proven test class players available:

Taylor
Vettori
McCullum
Tuffey
Martin

Thats a worry.

Will be very interesting to see who bats at three. I'd like to see Vettori at six because he's our second best batsman therefore we need him in with the top order, not with bowlers. Means the tail is long but really in that Pakistan series you could argue the tail started with the openers and all through the middle order bar Taylor.

 

[Polo23]

Alright guys - i think we have solved the problem around Broom. We need to drop Taylor, so Broom can bat 4

Mate if Broom cant bat 6/7 he has to go, at the moment thats where the gap in this team is

Yes, because that is exactly what I was getting at when I said "Broom bats at 4 for the Volts", you are a genius.

Theres a perfect gap for him at number 5, unfortunately for some reason Franklin has it.

 

[Halfpast_Yellow]

That's fair enough. It's the people that say he's an average batsmen because of his innings at six/seven that get to me.

He is an average ODI bats because of his innings at six/seven. If he was anything more, good, a great, or even above-average, he wouldn't have performed so poorly.

Average ODI batsman would be if anything overstating his proven capabilty at that level so far.



In other news, Stewart scores his fourth list A century...

 

[DIRK-NANNES]

It's out now:
New Zealand Cricket - BLACKCAPS squad for Bangladesh Test announced

Tim McIntosh
Peter Ingram
B.J. Watling
Martin Guptill
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
Daniel Vettori
Brendon McCullum
Daryl Tuffey
Tim Southee
Andy McKay
Jeetan Patel
Chris Martin

 

[Polo23]

Glad Broom is in there...interesting to see Ingram in there too.

My XI:

Tim McIntosh/Peter Ingram
BJ Watling
Martin Guptill
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
Daniel Vettori
Brendon McCullum
Daryl Tuffey
Tim Southee
Andy McKay
Chris Martin

 

[Flem274*]

It's out now:
New Zealand Cricket - BLACKCAPS squad for Bangladesh Test announced

Tim McIntosh
Peter Ingram
B.J. Watling
Martin Guptill
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
Daniel Vettori
Brendon McCullum
Daryl Tuffey
Tim Southee
Andy McKay
Jeetan Patel
Chris Martin

Arnel misses out again.

Would have had Arnel ahead of Southee ftr.

Wonder who will open? Theres four friggin openers in there lol.

Hmm I still want Vettori in the action with the bat asap but the tail is long..

Suspect the side they go with will be:

McIntosh
Watling
Guptill
Taylor
Broom
Vettori
McCullum
Southee
Tuffey
McKay
Martin

The side I want out of those 13 would look like:

McIntosh
Watling
Guptill (really want him as an ODI specialist for now tbh)
Taylor
Broom
Ingram
Vettori
McCullum
Tuffeh
McKay
Martin

Will never happen though. McCullums ego couldnt handle batting at eight and Ingram if he plays will be in the top order (which is fine, but I beefed up the batting and needed a six). Ingram could be great fun at number six against tired seamers and spinners. Was toying with Guptill down there away from the new ball but didn't want to **** him around the order too much or we might make a new Neil Broom/Mathew Sinclair.

McKay and Tuffeh to open the bowling (yeah right).

EDIT: Why is Patel there when we have Guptill?

 

[Howsie]

Well apparently Martin Guptill is batting lower down the order, with Broom most likely playing at three.

Don't like that at all. First they destroy his confindence in one day cricket by batting him at six/seven, now they want him to bat at three (he hardly bat's there for Otago). Shocking.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Good on McKay. I didn't rate his selection for the ODIs based on his season form and lack of track record in one dayers, but he's taken his chance and earned an opportunity in a form of the game which should suit him more.

I guess this is his cue to fail.

 

[Halfpast_Yellow]

Article indicates Guptill to be shifted down the order.

I like the squad. Good selection. Good to see Broom in for Flynn.
Possible IV

Tim McIntosh
Peter Ingram
B.J. Watling
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
Martin Guptill
Brendon McCullum
Daniel Vettori
Tim Southee/Daryl Tuffey
Andy McKay/Daryl Tuffey
Chris Martin

If Guptill goes down the order, can only imagine they will bat Watling at 3 rather than promote Taylor, or Debut Broom at 3. Taylor should really stay at 4, so Broom and Guptill at 5 and 6, or the other way around.

 

[Bahnz]

McIntosh
Ingram
Watling
Taylor
Broom
Vettori
McCullum
Tuffee
Southee
McKay/Patel
Martin

Moving Guptill down the order might be a good choice, as it would leave his rather loose technique less exposed to the bounce and movement of the new ball. I highly doubt that Broom will be picked at 3, but if he is then I'll have lost quite a lot of faith in Daniel Vettori's strategic acumen.

 

[Athlai]

Not a terrible team really, Franklin being the only omission that I would have put in. The 3 openers regime interests me as well a putting Guptill down the order.

Pinga
McIntosh
Watling?
Taylor
Broom
Guptill
McCullum
Vettori
Tuffey
McKay/Patel
Martin

Kind of think we may be bowling short like that which would mean Jeets but I think Martin, McKay, Tuffey would see greater success. So Guptill Broom may be playing each other for number 5 and Vettori sticks at 6.

 

[DingDong]

Arnel misses out again.

Would have had Arnel ahead of Southee ftr.

Wonder who will open? Theres four friggin openers in there lol.

Hmm I still want Vettori in the action with the bat asap but the tail is long..

Suspect the side they go with will be:

McIntosh
Watling
Guptill
Taylor
Broom
Vettori
McCullum
Southee
Tuffey
McKay
Martin

The side I want out of those 13 would look like:

McIntosh
Watling
Guptill (really want him as an ODI specialist for now tbh)
Taylor
Broom
Ingram
Vettori
McCullum
Tuffeh
McKay
Martin

Will never happen though. McCullums ego couldnt handle batting at eight and Ingram if he plays will be in the top order (which is fine, but I beefed up the batting and needed a six). Ingram could be great fun at number six against tired seamers and spinners. Was toying with Guptill down there away from the new ball but didn't want to **** him around the order too much or we might make a new Neil Broom/Mathew Sinclair.

McKay and Tuffeh to open the bowling (yeah right).

EDIT: Why is Patel there when we have Guptill?

pretty silly if they dont play patel here considering how much bangladesh have struggled against vettori.

 

[Polo23]

pretty silly if they dont play patel here considering how much bangladesh have struggled against vettori.

Except the fact that Vettori is a world class spinner, Patel is not. Bangladesh have always struggled against Vettori, that in no way means they will struggle against Patel.