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International Debutant
But you know why Ind didn't attack and why SA should have attacked as you wrote this:
it interesting then you try to say that it's a stalemate
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Shri
Mr. Glass
Yeah, I got the gist.
ret
International Debutant
Mishy is still learning the rigors of test cricket so may be we are being a little harsh on him. It's the spinner with 80 tests experience struggling that's an issue as far as I am concerned
If Sree is fit, he should play as he picks up more wkts per test:
Player - Matches - Wkts
Ishant - 23 - 63 (includes current test)
Sree - 17 - 60
pasag
RTDAS
Jono - was I right two years ago?
http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/37102-brilliant-ishant.html#post1479201
http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/37102-brilliant-ishant.html#post1479201
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Yep you were.Jono - was I right two years ago?
http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/37102-brilliant-ishant.html#post1479201
No idea why you were though, you didn't say why he would be struggling in 2 years, you just said he would.
Can't fault you on that though, you were still right
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
At a time when bowling is the team's weakness, you need the top four bowlers together. Harbhajan is one of them. Likewise Mishra. The same can't be said of Dhoni's best boy, who seems to somehow make the Indian team at the drop of Dhoni's cap. Harbhajan, despite all the criticism, tries very hard in every game he gets, and does more than his bit for the team.
As for Sreesanth, he's a little too wayward- bowls away from his field, oversteps and isn't worth immediately replacing Ishant. He's got a better strike rate, but his selection is a contentious issue, and it's better to stick to one set of bowlers for an extended period.
The bowlers have tried their guts out in this game. They've been bowled well past their limit, and the excess workload (40 or 50 overs is impossibly large) has weakened them. They've had no support from anyone- pitch, outfield, fielders, umpires, captain, or even the batsmen who can bowl. It wouldn't be fair on them to drop any of them- rather, they need one more with them.
ret
International Debutant
Sree has a decent record against SA, does well with the old ball (reverse) and bowls at decent pace too .... If he is available, they should play him as he complements Zak well. Ishant can be used to block an end up and if he is bowling well then he can chip in with a few wkts
Bhajji has to go sooner or later, he is ordinary for someone who has played 80 tests. Unless the pitch is a turner, I don't see him being that effective consistently
Bhajji has to go sooner or later, he is ordinary for someone who has played 80 tests. Unless the pitch is a turner, I don't see him being that effective consistently
pasag
RTDAS
It's all guesswork tbhYep you were.
No idea why you were though, you didn't say why he would be struggling in 2 years, you just said he would.
Can't fault you on that though, you were still right
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
It's a bit tough about Sreesanth vs Ishant, as there's been a revolving door of selections in pace, especially in home matches. Ishant, however, bowls a lot better with the new ball than with an older ball, while Sree tends to spray both, and overstep often. That overstepping problem is inexcusable, at that frequency.
If Bhajji has a few problems, he can work on it, and support staff can help him out. Dropping him is no solution, as the prospective replacement isn't good enough. He's not perfect, but he deserves to stay.
Sir Alex
Banned
He is bowling on a flat Day 1/2 pitch. He is no Shane Warne.
ret
International Debutant
Sree is a hit or miss bowler, if he hits it then he comes up with a match winning spell. And he can swing both the new and the old ball with good pace (90mph). Definitely a match winner bowler from the options that Ind has at the moment. Though he would be more useful as a part of 3 seamers attack as if he misses there is a bowler to cover up. But in tests, if I had the option b/w one who could give me wkts and the one who could block one end up, I will pick the one who gives me wkts (even though he could be expensive)
Bhajji has had 80 tests to correct his problems. He bowls almost the same whether it's Tests or ODIs. Ofc if the pitch has something in it for him, he can be deadly .... Bowlers like Mishy may go for runs but in b/w they bowl those wkt taking balls, which is what matters. And they can do that on most surfaces. Tailenders at times find it harder to defend against a leggie than an offie, so he can even get them to play rash shots and bundle out the tail rather than them holding an end up
Obviously, we don't agree so let's leave it at that
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
I wasn't trying to put him on Warne's level at all. I know the pitch his flat, all i'm saying is given that i have seen all his test since the AUS 08 series (except the one vs BANG although i could have seen it). Every test since that series IMO he has slightly regressed.
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ret
International Debutant
Because stats don't tell the whole story. Bhajji is over-rated, while Mishy is under-rated. Those stats don't tell you that Mishy has been in and out of the side so it doesn't help his confidence, while Bhajji has been a permanent fixture. He is learning the rigors of tests, while Bhajji is a seasoned campaigner who needs helpful pitches to do well. Those stats don't tell you that Mishy has the ability to bowl more wkt taking balls.
Moreover, there is a need to replace Bhajji in tests and Ind should be looking to develop a spinner who can bowl well on most surfaces. People want to give Mishy a chance to see what he is capable of by giving him the security of a place in the side over a few series. Sometimes there isn't even a need to play 2 spinners. Ind needs a spinner who can make an impact in a game considering the surface it plays on and Ind's comparatively weak pace attack (but it's getting better with a pool getting developed)
When people debate, it's not only abt the tangibles but also the in-tangibles that they consider!
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Not that Shane Warne would have done much better in all likelihood. Pitches like these are a nightmare for this kind of bowler.
I don't really see why Mishy's being discussed in such detail. He bowled pretty well for long periods of time, was India's most economical bowler, and was pretty unlucky not to get any wickets. Everyone has days like that.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Because based on the last two days, Mishra has bowled much better. He'll be unfortunate in that this might be the end of his Test career though, at least for the forseeable future.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Kumble would have done so much better on this surface (not saying he would have run through, but definitely would have picked up a couple and been economical).
The 'Kumble Length' balls were the ones doing the most, I noticed.
The 'Kumble Length' balls were the ones doing the most, I noticed.