*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand

[thierry henry]

What exactly is Naeem's role? Batting all-rounder who bats 8? His record suggests that prior to playing international cricket he was hardly a bowler at all.

 

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Haha, McKay ran in and put his hands up for some high-fives and got denied.

 

[Prince EWS]

What exactly is Naeem's role? Batting all-rounder who bats 8? His record suggests that prior to playing international cricket he was hardly a bowler at all.

Yeah. His primary role is to come in near the end of the innings and go big - he's their hitter.

 

[thierry henry]

Yeah. His primary role is to come in near the end of the innings and go big - he's their hitter.

Yeah but...there's no such thing as a specialist #8 bat tbh.

(yes, I know about Morkel and even Oram today, but tbh you need to be a bowling all-rounder to justify a spot there, surely)

I really don't think it's acceptable to have guys batting at 7 or 8 who really aren't frontline bowlers either, and it looks like both Mahmudullah and Naeem fit into that category....it's not a slight on them but more the entire selection policy as tbh those two could probably bat 3 and 4 instead of Ash and Racketball....

 

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Haha, Guptill to bowl. Awesome.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah but...there's no such thing as a specialist #8 bat tbh.

(yes, I know about Morkel and even Oram today, but tbh you need to be a bowling all-rounder to justify a spot there, surely)

I really don't think it's acceptable to have guys batting at 7 or 8 who really aren't frontline bowlers either, and it looks like both Mahmudullah and Naeem fit into that category....it's not a slight on them but more the entire selection policy as tbh those two could probably bat 3 and 4 instead of Ash and Racketball....

When your best bowler has a slot a permanent slot at five in the batting lineup as one of your team's best bats, though, it basically results in a player that is surplus to conventional methodology, particularly if you routinely find yourself at 120/6. Do you think Bangladesh would actually be any more likely to succeed if they dropped Raqibul, promoted Mahmudullah and ended up with a bunny coming in at eight all for the sake of another poor bowler? I certainly don't. They've tried to focus on giving themselves some sort of strength to work towards when they play with the deep batting, rather than just being poor in every department.

Anyway, by Bangladeshi standards, Naeem and Mahmudullah aren't really any less "frontline bowlers" than Albie Morkel, even if they didn't bowl a lot domestically before they got picked.

 

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Yeah. His primary role is to come in near the end of the innings and go big - he's their hitter.

Currently 3 from 15 balls. Not sure what he's trying to do here.

 

[Hurricane]

Currently 3 from 15 balls. Not sure what he's trying to do here.

I don't understand the tactics at all. Have a go.

I guess they are trying to get there eye in first.

 

[thierry henry]

When your best bowler has a slot a permanent slot at five in the batting lineup as one of your team's best bats, though, it basically results in a player that is surplus to conventional methodology, particularly if you routinely find yourself at 120/6. Do you think Bangladesh would actually be any more likely to succeed if they dropped Raqibul, promoted Mahmudullah and ended up with a bunny coming in at eight all for the sake of another poor bowler? I certainly don't. They've tried to focus on giving themselves some sort of strength to work towards when they play with the deep batting, rather than just being poor in every department.

Anyway, by Bangladeshi standards, Naeem and Mahmudullah aren't really any less "frontline bowlers" than Albie Morkel, even if they didn't bowl a lot domestically before they got picked.

yeah that's probably fair because, unlike with proper ODI sides, the #7 and #8 actually do usually get a pretty good chance to bat.

It's quite a weird situation really where you have #7 and #8 averaging 30+, yet they've churned through a succession of top-order bats who struggle to average 20. Using conventional logic you'd look at that team and say Mahmudullah and Naeem are two of the best bats while Imrul/Ash/Raqibul are all crap, so just dump them and put the other two up. However I agree with you that my instinct tells me Mahmudullah and Naeem would be just as bad as the rest up the order. Reckon it's fair to say both of their records get a bit inflated because of all of the chances to either eke out not-outs or play in low pressure situations where the bowling side has already won and is going through the motions?

And on your last point...you're probably right in that a frontline bowler from the 'deshi domestic comp would probably average 40+ and go for 5+ an over anyway. However, tbh I find this harder to explain. If you're either (a) a mediocre bowler (Mahmudullah), or (b) are hardly regarded as good enough to bowl (Naeem) in the Deshi domestic comp, why are they not getting absolutely obliterated at international level?

Also another question on Bangladesh domestic cricket, dunno if you can give me an answer- whenever I look at the domestic records of the Bangladesh internationals, they ALL seem crap. Obviously that's a mathematical impossibility- the bowlers can't all have bad records without the batsmen scoring runs, or vice versa. What's the deal there, am I just imagining it, or does the Bangladesh selection policy involve picking the worst domestic performers available?

 

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Fabulous catch.

 

[thierry henry]

Our outfield catching is pretty epic tbh

 

[thierry henry]

Anyone else noticed the NZ commentators ignorance of Shakib?

ok, so he has sucked so far and never done anything in NZ, but you'd think they'd have some vague notion of the fact that he has been carrying Bangladesh for the last year or more- maybe even that he took a 7-for against us in a test.

It's cringeworthy stuff to hear Smith rattle on about Ashraful being such a huge talent amidst a bunch of nobodies, or McMillan to say that "Bangladesh seem to rely on a few key players....Ashraful, Tamim, Kayes".....

 

[African Monkey]

Anyone else noticed the NZ commentators ignorance of Shakib?

ok, so he has sucked so far and never done anything in NZ, but you'd think they'd have some vague notion of the fact that he has been carrying Bangladesh for the last year or more- maybe even that he took a 7-for against us in a test.

It's cringeworthy stuff to hear Smith rattle on about Ashraful being such a huge talent amidst a bunch of nobodies, or McMillan to say that "Bangladesh seem to rely on a few key players....Ashraful, Tamim, Kayes".....

Yes all they do is **** on about Ashraful's talent. Infact, the only person who seems to crictcise him is Shamim Chowdry.

 

[thierry henry]

McMillan seriously said Kayes.... It's amazing to me that there are so many clued up cricket people out there, say on this forum, and yet we get commentators who are so out of touch and short-sighted that they judge touring players on individual shots.

 

[Hurricane]

I am glad that Bangers didn't take the power play - just to spite the commentators who are talking about it too much.

 

[thierry henry]

Yeah...in general, you might see a team take the powerplay before the 40th over approximately 1 time in a billion....yet Smith and co are carrying on as though Bangladesh are a disgrace to cricket for not taking it in the 25th over.

 

[African Monkey]

McMillan seriously said Kayes.... It's amazing to me that there are so many clued up cricket people out there, say on this forum, and yet we get commentators who are so out of touch and short-sighted that they judge touring players on individual shots.

Lol Kayes. The thing with our commentators though is that the last time they would have seen Bangladesh play was on the 2007/08 tour and they wouldn't have bothered following their progress over that time.

 

[Hurricane]

Is franklin carrying an injury or is Vettori just choosing not to bowl him?

 

[Prince EWS]

Is franklin carrying an injury or is Vettori just choosing not to bowl him?

Picked as a batsman. Was a bit off that Guptill got a roll ahead of him though; he's definitely at least the sixth best OD bowler in the team.

 

[Hurricane]

Don't understand Bangers batting at the end. All defensive then a couple of big hoiks where they got out.

Bangers coaching and strategy is poor.