*Official* Under-19 World Cup 2009/10

[Howsie]

And yet he still has a lower career average then Inzamam and his 120 test match career

 

[wfdu_ben91]

And yet he still has a lower career average then Inzamam and his 120 test match career

Don't worry, he hasn't played on a flat pitch yet.

 

[Howsie]

Don't worry, he hasn't played on a flat pitch yet.

Cardiff 2009?

 

[ziebell]

Hughes has already played Test Cricket and succeeded against the best. What proof do you possibly have that Marsh will be better then Hughes? He has done NOTHING.

You wanna know who Phil Hughes had to compete with age of 18?
- Simon Katich (who was in the form of his life)
- Phil Jaques (better then any WA batsman)
- Usman Khawaja (Now averages higher then Marsh does in FC cricket after 5 times amount of matches played and is higher in the pecking order)
- Domonic Thornley (Averages 40+ in first-class cricket)
- David Warner (Australian representative)

Not to mention that Hughes opens the batting since the age of 18, whilst Marsh bats at 5 or 6, facing the older bowl when the bowlers have tired a bit - hence why his got acouple of not outs which has risen his average. Who knows if Marsh would've even been playing first-class cricket if Pomersbach could've kept his head on straight. Not to forget that Hughes scored his maiden first-class hundred in the Pura Cup final (his first season) against an attack that consisted of Siddle, Nannes, Harwood & McGain. Hell, look how strong NSW's side was in that game and Hughes still got a game.

Hughes has done it tougher, not to mention that he didn't get the advantage of having his family previously represent Australia, which I'm sure played a bit've influence on Marsh's selection. Hughes was definately better then Marsh when he was 18 and it is highly unlikely that Marsh will be a better batsman at the age of 21 then what Hughes is now.

I look forward to seeing you bump this thread sometime this summer, because there is only 28 days left in this summer. Don't worry, I won't bump the thread if Marsh goes through a rough patch and gets dropped the WA lineup.


His played a handful of games, ffs.

Dont let the turth get in the way of a good story aye?


Hughes was 19 yrs and 5 months when he knocked the pura cup final tonne,.

So Marsh has a year and a half to emulate that feat.

Considering he smashed 92 for WA in a Ford Ranger Cup game, not 3 weeks ago, id say he's a fair shout.

Hughes has done it tougher, not to mention that he didn't get the advantage of having his family previously represent Australia, which I'm sure played a bit've influence on Marsh's selection. Hughes was definately better then Marsh when he was 18 and it is highly unlikely that Marsh will be a better batsman at the age of 21 then what Hughes is now.

So now we get to the crux of the issue. Chip on your shoulder much?


I think the fact that he is the Australian u/19 captain, their best batsman, age record holder in the domestic one day comp, and broke district senior batting records for Fremantle as a 16 year old prior to his selection for WA, might have a bit to do with his selection in the WA side, not his father.

You have lost the plot.

- Usman Khawaja (Now averages higher then Marsh does in FC cricket after 5 times amount of matches played and is higher in the pecking order)

Haha, I needed a good laugh.

Hughes was definately better then Marsh when he was 18 and it is highly unlikely that Marsh will be a better batsman at the age of 21 then what Hughes is now.

Wrong.


Marsh was well entrenched in the state side going into the u/19 world Cup.


Hughes didn't get his opportunities with NSW until after his own u/19 world Cup.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Dont let the turth get in the way of a good story aye?


Hughes was 19 yrs and 5 months when he knocked the pura cup final tonne,.

So Marsh has a year and a half to emulate that feat.

Considering he smashed 92 for WA in a Ford Ranger Cup game, not 3 weeks ago, id say he's a fair shout.





So now we get to the crux of the issue. Chip on your shoulder much?


I think the fact that he is the Australian u/19 captain, their best batsman, age record holder in the domestic one day comp, and broke district senior batting records for Fremantle as a 16 year old prior to his selection for WA, might have a bit to do with his selection in the WA side, not his father.

You have lost the plot.





Haha, I needed a good laugh.






Wrong.


Marsh was well entrenched in the state side going into the u/19 world Cup.


Hughes didn't get his opportunities with NSW until after his own u/19 world Cup.

Okay, so what do you have to say about the fact that Hughes opens the batting whilst Marsh is being nurtured into the side by batting at 5-6? Don't answer that point, alright. Or don't answer the point that Hughes came into the side, surrounded by top-order batsman with a fair amount of International experience (ie Simon Katich & Phil Jaques)... okay.

You are wrong that Hughes didn't get picked for NSW until after he played in the u/19s World Cup. Hughes made his first-class debut several months before playing in the u/19s World Cup.

Age isn't that much of a factor anyway. Moises Henriques was in the Australia u/19s setup and NSW squad at the age of 16 - Younger then both Hughes and Marsh. Look where he is now? Hardly Andrew Flintoff is he? Matthew Hayden was 20 when he made his first-class debut and Glenn McGrath was 22 and neither of them represented Australia in the u19s World Cup. Two of the finest cricketers Australia has produced. Compare that to Michael Klinger, who captained the Australia u19s, but yet probably will never play for Australia. It's what after you do after the u/19s world cup is what matters and look what Hughes accomplished.

Breaking records in grade cricket doesn't compare anything to FC cricket. Grant Lambert broke Victor Trumper's record for most runs in a grade season, but yet bats at 8-9 in the NSW side and averages 20 with the bat.

Marsh has a LONG way to go before he even gets close to Hughes. At the moment, he is just hype and hasn't done anything of note on the first-class circuit. Fact is, Hughes has scored International runs then Marsh has first-class runs.

 

[Howsie]

Hughes has 509 international runs. If someone was reading what you've said (and didn't follow cricket) they'd get the impression Phillip Hughes was some type of all-time great

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Hughes has 509 international runs. If someone was reading what you've said (and didn't follow cricket) they'd get the impression Phillip Hughes was some type of all-time great

Best young batsman since Ponting.

 

[Top_Cat]

 

[ziebell]

Okay, so what do you have to say about the fact that Hughes opens the batting whilst Marsh is being nurtured into the side by batting at 5-6? Don't answer that point, alright. Or don't answer the point that Hughes came into the side, surrounded by top-order batsman with a fair amount of International experience (ie Simon Katich & Phil Jaques)... okay.

Say to the fact?

Say to the fact that Mitch Marsh is a middle order batsman and Hughes has, and always will be an opening batsman? (Part of the reason he isn't in the test side atm, or else he would have Norths spot!)


What do you say to the fact that Tendulkar batted at 4 for most of his career, or Clarke at 4, or Waugh at 5............?

Were they hidden and protected down the order?


Are Haynes and Hayden better batsman than Ponting and Bradman because they opened the batting.....?


Did Ponting come straight into the #3 position for Australia

You're digging yourself a deeper hole.




But I guess the likes of Shaun Marsh, Adam Voges, Pomersbach and Marcus North have no international experience


Fact of the matter is, Hughes has huge technical difficiencies, he can't handle the short ball, and is on the outer in the Test side.

If he was the best young batsman since Ponting, he would of replaced Marcus North.

Unfortunately he doesn't have that versatility, if he can't open the batting, he can't play, he is a liability in that respect.

 

[Howsie]

Best young batsman since Ponting.

He's 21 and not playing international cricket, not only that he's not even playing that well domestically averaging in the mid 30's. Just a tad overrated perhaps? If not that then the expectations are far too high.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Say to the fact?

Say to the fact that Mitch Marsh is a middle order batsman and Hughes has, and always will be an opening batsman? (Part of the reason he isn't in the test side atm, or else he would have Norths spot!)


What do you say to the fact that Tendulkar batted at 4 for most of his career, or Clarke at 4, or Waugh at 5............?

Were they hidden and protected down the order?


Are Haynes and Hayden better batsman than Ponting and Bradman because they opened the batting.....?


Did Ponting come straight into the #3 position for Australia

You're digging yourself a deeper hole.




But I guess the likes of Shaun Marsh, Adam Voges, Pomersbach and Marcus North have no international experience

Marsh and Voges haven't played Test Cricket and Pomersbach played 1 Twenty20 based on Hodge tripping over, trying to put his pants on in the change room.

As a young batsman in first-class cricket, most of them will bat down the order, merely because they are trying to be molded in. You see it in all forms of cricket, grade cricket, state cricket and even International cricket to a degree. Why does this happen? Because younger are inexperienced and are more vunarable against the fresh bowlers with a newer ball. Obviously once they are establish themselves in the team on a regular basis, they can consolidate a specific position in the batting order, which Marsh hasn't done yet. If Marsh was so great and on the verge of playing for Australia then wouldn't you think that he'd be batting at number 3 instead of 5-6 like his been doing at u/19s level?

You make me laugh.

He's 21 and not playing international cricket, not only that he's not even playing that well domestically averaging in the mid 30's. Just a tad overrated perhaps? If not that then the expectations are far too high.

The only reason he is not playing International cricket is because there is no reason to drop Katich or Watson and the only reason he got dropped was because of Johnson's erratic bowling during the Ashes. Not many Australians have averaged as much as 57 in first-class cricket after so many games at the age of 21.

 

[ziebell]

The only reason he is not playing International cricket is because there is no reason to drop Katich or Watson and the only reason he got dropped was because of Johnson's erratic bowling during the Ashes. Not many Australians have averaged as much as 57 in first-class cricket after so many games at the age of 21.

Johnson bowling resulted in Hughes being unable to handle the bouncer....


Ive heard it all.

If Marsh was so great and on the verge of playing for Australia then wouldn't you think that he'd be batting at number 3 instead of 5-6 like his been doing at u/19s level?

I never said he was on the verge of playing in the test side.

I said he could be a chance at playing in the next tour of england.

That is still 18 months away, and not out of the realms of possibility.



I said he was a possible inclusion for one of the home T20 matches.




Marsh batted at 3 and 4 for Australia in the u/19's, the position he is viewed as being suited for in the Australian side in the future.

he batted at 3 in the final................



Ive answered your questions...

answer this one.

If Hughes is the best batsman since Ponting, why isn't he being considered for the #6 batting position?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

If Hughes is the best batsman since Ponting, why isn't he being considered for the #6 batting position?

Because Marcus North is rubbish and it would be idiotic to drop either Openers who are averaging 40+ in Test Cricket and are in the form of their lives. Same reason why Matthew Hayden didn't get an honest go at the openers slot during the 1990s - same with Mike Hussey.

 

[Flem274*]

Because Marcus North is rubbish and it would be idiotic to drop either Openers who are averaging 40+ in Test Cricket and are in the form of their lives. Same reason why Matthew Hayden didn't get an honest go at the openers slot during the 1990s - same with Mike Hussey.

Now that REALLY helps your argument.

Why isn't he batting six? Because the guy currently there sucks.

Okay.

 

[ziebell]

Because Marcus North is rubbish and it would be idiotic to drop either Openers who are averaging 40+ in Test Cricket and are in the form of their lives. Same reason why Matthew Hayden didn't get an honest go at the openers slot during the 1990s - same with Mike Hussey.

What have Katich and Watson got to do with it?


If Hughes is as prolific, and as talented as you say, he surely could bat #6, especially when

facing the older bowl when the bowlers have tired a bit

he doesn't have the technique at the moment, thats why.


You want a rock solid batsman at #6, because if the **** hits the fan, you don't want a one-dimensional kid trying to play seaming deliveries through backward point all day.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

What have Katich and Watson got to do with it?


If Hughes is as prolific, and as talented as you say, he surely could bat #6, especially when







he doesn't have the technique at the moment, thats why.


You want a rock solid batsman at #6, because if the **** hits the fan, you don't want a one-dimensional kid trying to play seaming deliveries through backward point all day.

Look at how prolific Phil Jaques was acouple of years ago and they didn't consider him for the #6 position, even though it was so blatantly obvious that he should've been in the side one-way or another. Instead they choose Michael Clarke, who had done nothing to earn back his position - because he was a middle-order batsman, not an opener.

You say that Hughes doesn't have the technique to bat at number 6 but yet look at how successful he has been as an Opening Batsman? You couldn't be anymore wrong about the #6 position anyway. You don't want a rock-solid batsman at #6, you want an aggressive batsman, who has the capability of not only repairing an innings but moving the game on, if need be.

 

[bryce]

His played a handful of games, ffs.

He's scored more runs for WA than for the under-19s "facing 125km bowlers", ffs

No one here has denied that Hughes is a classy batsman, it is just you trying to compare apples with oranges

 

[wfdu_ben91]

No one here has denied that Hughes is a classy batsman, it is just you trying to compare apples with oranges

Nah, but to say that Marsh is the best batsman to come out of the system in the last 10 years is just not right.

 

[Howsie]

The only reason he is not playing International cricket is because there is no reason to drop Katich or Watson and the only reason he got dropped was because of Johnson's erratic bowling during the Ashes. Not many Australians have averaged as much as 57 in first-class cricket after so many games at the age of 21.

Huh, so had Hughes actually scored runs he would of been dropped regardless?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Huh, so had Hughes actually scored runs he would of been dropped regardless?

Probably would've been Marcus North if Hughes had've scored runs. They brought in Watson to strengthen the bowling.