*Official* Under-19 World Cup 2009/10

[WindieWeathers]

Mr Mxyzptlk i have a few names to throw at you

Aniel Harrypersad

Darron Beekha

Steven Sooklal

All of them are said to be young Left arm pacers from Trinidad apparently, have you heard of them? ever since Aamar came through for Pakistan i've been curious to see if we have any left arm pacers coming through too, i must say it was a damn hard task to find any at all, only Pedro Collin's name kept popping up , i've also identified a Jamaican u19 player by the name of Romeo Dunka who's been taking wickets at that level, i believe we need a quick lefty to add to the likes of Holder and Roach, i said the other day that we've got the best talent coming through of any nation and no-one challenged that notion, just look at it for one second..

Barath 19
Brathwaite 17
Darren Bravo 20
Pollard 22
Dowrich 18
Holder 18
Roach 21

I mean that's more than half a side of top class talent, and i'm sure more will come through too, someone like Permpaul might add to our spin department maybe.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I've been out of Trinidad for three years until recently, so I'm very much out of the know on that front.

A couple names for the list (though I wouldn't talk about "top class" talent for a couple of those):
Kevin McLean (22)
Rajindra Chandrika (20)

As for Permaul, he doesn't look anything better than a run-of-the-mill domestic trundler, unfortunately. He will do well at domestic level, but as an offspinner, you have to be pretty special to do well at Test level. And I don't any indication of that in Permaul's game. He just seems an accurate fingerspinner who doesn't turn it much and doesn't have much variation. Maybe I'm being harsh though.

Apologies for turning this into a "West Indies prospects thread".

 

[WindieWeathers]

I've been out of Trinidad for three years until recently, so I'm very much out of the know on that front.

A couple names for the list (though I wouldn't talk about "top class" talent for a couple of those):
Kevin McLean (22)
Rajindra Chandrika (20)

As for Permaul, he doesn't look anything better than a run-of-the-mill domestic trundler, unfortunately. He will do well at domestic level, but as an offspinner, you have to be pretty special to do well at Test level. And I don't any indication of that in Permaul's game. He just seems an accurate fingerspinner who doesn't turn it much and doesn't have much variation. Maybe I'm being harsh though.

Apologies for turning this into a "West Indies prospects thread".

So apart from the usual names like "Miller, Jaggs, Benn etc" who is our best hope in the spin department then? we talked about Bishoo and Kantasing already but you seemed to think they won't make it so i don't know who's left, the kid Jomal Warrican done well in this competition before he got injured, he took around five wickets in two games but i haven't seen him in action yet.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Odean Brown and Imran Khan are the most exciting prospects, for mine. The former in particular because I've seen more of him and he just looks a better attacking option. Every team ideally wants a world class legspinner, because they're more useful as an attacking threat in a wider range of conditions.

Both have had excellent starts to their careers and definitely deserve greater exposure on some level. Ideally on a well-organized A tour. The problem with spinners in the Caribbean is that wickets are so easy for them to take, in general, that they don't attack as consistently and often as they should. They enter Test cricket as defensive, supposedly wicket-taking bowlers. And if you don't take wickets in the domestic competition, as a spinner, you're almost certainly not very good. That's a big reason why I don't rate Benn very highly. Because in context, he's been very average in a weak competition in the Caribbean. If he used his height properly he'd likely be a lot better, mind.

 

[Number 11]

While watching this tournament i've being having a think as too who i would put on the U19 World XI from every country right now. This also includes players not playing in the cup, eg. Aamer. What do you guys think.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Some of the names likely to be involved:

KC Braithwaite (WI)
Babar Azam (Pak)
DA Hendriks (SA)
AR Keith (Aus)
MR Marsh (Aus)
Shabbir Rahman (Ban)
TJ Armstrong (Aus)
PR Stirling (Ire)
HKP Boam (NZ)
Mohammad Aamer (Pak)
Aftab Alam (Afg)
ND Buchanan (Aus)
Shaker Ahmed (Ban)
JO Holder (WI)
DA Payne (Eng)

I'm sure there are a lot more. I haven't even considered all the spinners, for example.

 

[brockley]

Hope we don't lose keith to footy at 18 he is a talent.

 

[SeamUp]

My team of the u19 WC:

1. Kraigg Brathwaite (West Indies)
2. Dominic Hendricks (South Africa)
3. Babar Azam (Pakistan)
4. PBB Rajapaksa (Sri Lanka)
5. Tim Armstrong (Australia)
6. Ben Stokes (England)
7. Josh Richards (*)(+) (South Africa)
8. Usman Qadir (Pakistan)
9. Nathan Buck (England)
10. WMC Jayampathi (Sri Lanka)
11. Jason Holder (West Indies)

Notes: I decided to go with Josh Richards ahead of Shane Dowrich as keeper as we don't have a captain and they are about on equal terms in cricketing ability. It was tough to leave out Hammad Azam but Ben Stokes was chose due to the better all-round game and 5th bowler.

The unlucky players or players with reputations to miss out:

AUS: Nic Maddinson, Mitch Marsh, Josh Hazlewood, Alister McDermott, Kane Richardson
ENG: James Vince, David Payne
IND: Mayanck Agarwal, KL Rahul, Mandeep Singh, Saurah Netravalkar
NZL: Jimmy Neesham, Corey Anderson, Tim Johnston
PAK: Ahmed Shehzad, Hammad Azam, Razan Hasan, Fayyaz Butt
SAF: Colin Ackermann, Dale Deeb
SRL: R Buddika, MDUS Jayasundera, KPCM Peiris
WIN: Shane Dowrich, Y. Cariah

 

[WindieWeathers]

Mr Mxyzptlk i think i've found another name to add to the list , as you know i've been on a mission to find left-am pacers coming through our system and it looks like we might just have a decent one, a left arm pacer by the name of Andre Stoll seems to be making a name for himself in Guyana, he's just turned 17 and after impressing for the u19's last year he was called up to Guyana's 21 man senior squad in December, he may have impressed Chanders, Sarwan and co because he's currently on the standby list to replace any bowler that gets injured in this current domestic season, my question is is it common for 17 year old fast bowlers to be rubbing shoulders with the senior squads? was Roach, Taylor, Edwards etc playing for their senior sides at that age? i mean Holder has just played a game for Barbados but he's 18.

 

[TT Boy]

Looks like Graham Hume is ending the tournament well (current figures against India, 4 overs 3 for 7). If only he had some pace, looked very pedestrian with the old ball against Sri Lanka but with new ball he does seem to be able to get it to move.

Terrible start by Sri Lanka against Aus. Their back has already been broken.

 

[SeamUp]

Looks like Graham Hume is ending the tournament well (current figures against India, 4 overs 3 for 7). If only he had some pace, looked very pedestrian with the old ball against Sri Lanka but with new ball he does seem to be able to get it to move.

Terrible start by Sri Lanka against Aus. Their back has already been broken.

Thats the thing TT...Hume was bowling about 128-129 on average while someone like Hazlewood is only bowling 5 k's more but has a big rep. In all Hume's games including the tri-nations tourney he always struggled in his come back spells. What you think??

Realistically Hazlewood and McDermott do look the best new ball pair in the tournament but Hnedricks and Richards got stuck into them but Rajapaksa and Buddika struggled. Also very difficult to explain I guess.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Mr Mxyzptlk i think i've found another name to add to the list , as you know i've been on a mission to find left-am pacers coming through our system and it looks like we might just have a decent one, a left arm pacer by the name of Andre Stoll seems to be making a name for himself in Guyana, he's just turned 17 and after impressing for the u19's last year he was called up to Guyana's 21 man senior squad in December, he may have impressed Chanders, Sarwan and co because he's currently on the standby list to replace any bowler that gets injured in this current domestic season, my question is is it common for 17 year old fast bowlers to be rubbing shoulders with the senior squads? was Roach, Taylor, Edwards etc playing for their senior sides at that age? i mean Holder has just played a game for Barbados but he's 18.

You're quite the detective!

Roach and Taylor started playing senior cricket at 18 and Fidel was 19/20 when Lara plucked him out of obscurity and recommended him for West Indies. He'd bowled to Lara in the nets (in Trinidad, I think) and so impressed him that he gave him a career boost. Before that he'd taken 1 for 40odd (I think) in 1 match of FC cricket.

I can only speak for Trinidad and I do know of youngsters (one of whom is my cousin) who are involved with Queen's Park CC and they've played with and against T&T and WI cricketers on occasion. I'd say that for someone to get a recommendation out of that he'd have to look an outstanding talent though.

 

[Sylvester]

Awesome start by the opening bowlers. Hazelwood grabs a 3 fer, he might have had a slow start to the tournament but hes killing it now.

 

[TT Boy]

My team of the u19 WC:

3. Babar Azam (Pakistan)

PAK: Ahmed Shehzad

Wasn’t very impressed with Babar Azam. Only saw him twice albeit in Pak’s two biggest games and he looked pretty limited when up against good pace bowling which the Windies had in Holder and the Indians have with the likes of Sharma.

Ahmed Shehzad has to be the biggest failure this tournament. Has international pedigree, hyped as Pak's answer to Tendulkar yet has done **** all to date.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Thats the thing TT...Hume was bowling about 128-129 on average while someone like Hazlewood is only bowling 5 k's more but has a big rep. In all Hume's games including the tri-nations tourney he always struggled in his come back spells.

He's young though and can still add some pace and strength to his game. Kemar Roach was brisk, but not nearly as quick as he is now, when he played at the last WC.

 

[SeamUp]

Wasn’t very impressed with Babar Azam. Only saw him twice albeit in Pak’s two biggest games and he looked pretty limited when up against good pace bowling which the Windies had in Holder and the Indians have with the likes of Sharma.

Ahmed Shehzad has to be the biggest failure this tournament. Has international pedigree, hyped as Pak's answer to Tendulkar yet has done **** all to date.

I have to agree with you their mate on both accounts.

If I chose my best team and not the team of the tourney it would be.

Brathwaite, Hendricks, Vince, Rajapaksa, Marsh, Stokes, Richards, Qadir, McDermott, Hazlewood, Holder.

Jayampathi & Buck would be unlucky. I've heard good things about Ackermann but thats maybe because I am South African.

On Shehzad...I can't believe Pakistan picked him though as its not like he did well domestically...only averaging 33 in FC cricket on flat pitches.

 

[TT Boy]

Thats the thing TT...Hume was bowling about 128-129 on average while someone like Hazlewood is only bowling 5 k's more but has a big rep. In all Hume's games including the tri-nations tourney he always struggled in his come back spells. What you think??

Realistically Hazlewood and McDermott do look the best new ball pair in the tournament but Hnedricks and Richards got stuck into them but Rajapaksa and Buddika struggled. Also very difficult to explain I guess.

Hazlewood has the advantage of being 6'5 or something. Hume in contrast is pretty diminutive and has excelled in New Zealand because the wickets do offer you something early on.

How did Hume get on in the home tri-series before New Year against India and Sri Lanka? Can't recall him doing much and I think those games were played at the Wanderers i.e. a wicket which encourages genuine quicks.

 

[SeamUp]

He's young though and can still add some pace and strength to his game. Kemar Roach was brisk, but not nearly as quick as he is now, when he played at the last WC.

Yeah I agree mate but when we (SA) beat Australia...Hume our bowler got 3-35 and Hazlewood got 0-58 and McDermott got 1-50 I think. Pace isn't everything but I guess what TT & I are saying is that even though Hume has a good record this WC he probably won't be a future proteas prospect. It also might show that our openers are very good as well.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

On Shehzad...I can't believe Pakistan picked him though as its not like he did well domestically...only averaging 33 in FC cricket on flat pitches.

If I was 18 and averaging 33 in FC cricket, that I started playing at 16, I'd be happy with my efforts tbh.

 

[SeamUp]

Hazlewood has the advantage of being 6'5 or something. Hume in contrast is pretty diminutive and has excelled in New Zealand because the wickets do offer you something early on.

How did Hume get on in the home tri-series before New Year against India and Sri Lanka? Can't recall him doing much and I think those games were played at the Wanderers i.e. a wicket which encourages genuine quicks.

You're spot on their mate. I think you hit the nail on the head in that Hume is a bowler who needs conditions to suit him.

Hume wasn't that impressive in the tri-tourney if I recall but only due to his comeback spells where he got pasted.