*Official* England in Bangladesh

[Woodster]

Hey Woodster, still content with England resting Strauss, KP, Swann and the other 3 first team players you mentioned earlier?

Does India 8/211 against Bangladesh not change it at all though?

Was certainly surprised by that, but I did watch the full day and India fell into a trap that England would need to be wary of. There seemed an element of India's top six leaving it to each other, confident someone else will do the hard work, their intensity levels were nowhere where they would against a top side. They came across with having little respect for their opposition and suffered. The shots they were out to were terribly, Sehwag was lazy off the back foot, Gambhir's was very loose, Dravid was comprehensively cleaned up to a ball that moved ever so slightly, but he was working it too square. Yuvraj got out to a rank full toss, and Karthik was on the offensive far too early.

I cannot see if England do make changes, not as many now as I may initially have hoped for, the incoming players taking international opposition too lightly.

But yes I would still have liked to see us make a couple more changes to the squad.

 

[Goughy]

I have no idea what is going on in the England camp. Things seem to be all over the place every series.

Firstly I dont agree with Strauss being rested. But the rest is even worse.

Ajmal Shahzad? Who. What is the point of this selection?
Tredwell? Same

Where is Adil Rashid? What happened here? He has gone from future superstar to another that has fallen out of favour.

And Carberry? If he plays he will average 60 and never play for England again. No point him playing against Bang.

 

[Jarquis]

Dropping Rashid is the most bizarre of all IMO.
Shahzad is a bit of a joke but being honest he won't play. Rashid should've been picked for the first Test. I don't see what's to gain from picking Tredwell.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Don't quite get why everyone wants Rashid in the side. Yes he's been in and around the test team for a while,but it's still quite obvious from the summer he is still pretty raw and let's not forget he's only 21 years old. I don't particulary agree with Tredwell getting selected over him but I don't feel that Rashid could be ready for test cricket just yet, it's not a disgrace he's not in the squad imho.

 

[Jarquis]

But since last being picked and Tredwell called up, Tredwell's done exactly nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid in the pecking order.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

They obviously see something in Shahzad that most people don't, have no problem if they think he might have a couple of breakthrough years and then become a decent-ish allrounder, especially in one-day cricket. Tredwell in as second spinner presumably because they've lost all confidence in Rashid's development. I'd probably prefer to see Rashid go though, gives us the possibility of playing fiver bowlers without having a ridiculously weak tail.

Don't really get your point Goughy re. Carberry. They rest Strauss, so they have to replace him with someone. If he's successful, he's another option in the future should one of the openers get injured or lose form dramatically. Plus the experience of being in the England setup and on subcontinental wickets can only be helpful.

I don't actually think there is too much wrong with this squad. Ask me in five years whether taking Shahzad is (was) a good idea. (Am aware I'm opening a big hole for Richard there... .)

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

But since last being picked and Tredwell called up, Tredwell's done exactly nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid in the pecking order.

I think the sight of Rashid getting smashed in the one-dayers might have something to do with that, although it probably really shouldn't.

 

[Pup Clarke]

But since last being picked and Tredwell called up, Tredwell's done exactly nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid in the pecking order.

If you overlook the 69 poles he took in the CC compared to Rashid's 26, then yes he's done 'nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid'.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If you overlook the 69 poles he took in the CC compared to Rashid's 26, then yes he's done 'nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid'.

Blackwell took a few less, but in the proper division at a much better average and scored a shedload of runs with it. Oh and he complements the likely team far better than Tredwell. Even from that perspective Tredwell is a bad selection. From the Rashid perspective based on the fact he's been selected in a few series now and in formats which will likely do more harm than good it is an atrocious selection.

 

[Jarquis]

If you overlook the 69 poles he took in the CC compared to Rashid's 26, then yes he's done 'nothing to deserve overtaking Rashid'.

IIRC Rashid was named in the original Test squadfor SA, Tredwell was added to it at a later date. What the hell has Tredwell done between being added to the squad until now to overtake Rashid?
If the numberof CC wickets was the contributing factor surely Tredwell would've been named in the squad for the SA Tests originally. No?

 

[marc71178]

There's always the possibility that it was to do with training in SA etc.? That's the sort of thing that us armchair critics don't get to see (well that and a lot of what actually happens in County Cricket)

I suspect there's more to it than that since there was never a chance of us playing 2 spinners in SA (heck some ill-informed individuals didn't even want 1 in the team), yet Tredwell was called up as a 3rd spinner in the squad when Swann was a doubt.

 

[Jarquis]

Yeah, we don't see the training but Rashid must have been pretty woeful / Tredwell exceptional if net sessions are going to be enough to claim a place ahead of one another.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Huh. The selectors do nothing to dispel the notion that they'd need GPS and a map to locate their own arseholes with both hands, do they?

I can't recall ever seeing Shahzad play, but his career figures are on the plop side of ordinary, aren't they? Can't see how's he's suddenly lept ahead of Davies or even Bresnan, who one might reasonably thought would be the Tyke to be summoned to the colours given he played tests as recently as last year.

Find myself agreeing with Scaly about Tredwell too; nice bloke and all, but pretty much the dictionary definition of a journeyman county twirler who knows which end to hold a bat. Why bother devoting so much time and effort on Rashid if he's not going to go on a tour that he might actually play on?

 

[Goughy]

I think it is entirely possible that Rashid pissed people off and didnt perform in training and nets (pure speculation as I have not heard anything) however surely even if that is the case a tour of Bangladesh is the perfect place to continue his development as a cricketer, bowler, batsman, professional athlete and adult.

I cant think of a good reason how the tour wouldnt help him or why I should get excited about Tredwell.

I wanted England to take a flyer on a young quick so I dont mind the logic behind the selection of Shahzad but his name seems a little random and he is neither super young or with a half decent record.

Surely we are looking for the next quick, I dont really care if Shahzad can bat.

 

[aussie]

This squad highlights a combination of poor selection policies & lack of quality depth in English cricket. Not much more can be said.


- Morgan should have been in the test squad.

- Collingwood should have been made ODI captain. Cook should not even be in the ODI squad even againts BANG.

- Rashid defiantely deserved a try, given that they have been grooming all this time.

- Bresnan should have been in the test squad ahead of whoever Shazad is. But then again Shazad selection shows the real lack of real quality depth in pace bowling stocks ATM.

- Luke Wright's continued selection in the test squad is disheartening.

At least they got rid Davies........................for now haaa

 

[Uppercut]

I don't expect them to play Tredwell and Swann because they're both offies, so he's probably just there for backup. Rashid's quite obviously not good enough at the moment so you don't particularly want to bring him for experience then end up with him in the team when Swann breaks down. They probably have other plans for him in any case.

 

[Jarquis]

aussie, Davies or Shezhad?

 

[Jarquis]

I don't expect them to play Tredwell and Swann because they're both offies, so he's probably just there for backup. Rashid's quite obviously not good enough at the moment so you don't particularly want to bring him for experience then end up with him in the team when Swann breaks down. They probably have other plans for him in any case.

I thought Flower said we're going to play with 2 spinners? If Tredwell's not going to play either Flower's a liar or he really admires KP's bowling

 

[aussie]

Still continuing with the epic fail of playing Prior in ODIs i see. One step forward two steps back.

5 steps back and none forward in this case.

No. It was selectorial fault that Prior tried & failed as an ODI opener. He deserves a run batting down the order, especially when Strauss/Trott is preferred opening pair in a full-strenght ODI XI. So ATM Davies or Kieswetter will have to wait.

 

[aussie]

aussie, Davies or Shezhad?

Neither.


Just am continuing to hope Tremlett is fit this coming summer & we get Rankin in the test set-up. Our pace bowling depth at the moment is the worst i've ever seen in English cricket. Slowly but surely the DARK 90s is coming back..