tooextracool
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He's test class but thats just about it. Unless hell has frozen over and averaging 37 while playing the majority of your tests in the subcontinent is considered to be the hallmark of a quality bowler.
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Danish Kaneria
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aussie
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Off my head i dont recall Kaneria ever ripping through taking 5 for 25-50 againts a major side. Ever time i see or read a scorecard of PAK game he is always 5 for 100 7 for 150 etc, thats why i struggle to rate him much although he is decent..
Black_Warrior
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^ Exactly!!
I guess some people are just trying to be nice..like the Australian commentators who kept saying Kaneria took 7 wickets the last time he played in Sydney..but dont realize that Australia still managed over 550 and Kaneria conceded 188 runs.
I guess some people are just trying to be nice..like the Australian commentators who kept saying Kaneria took 7 wickets the last time he played in Sydney..but dont realize that Australia still managed over 550 and Kaneria conceded 188 runs.
Xuhaib
International Coach
what crap support bowlers Asif & Shoaib.
Shri
Mr. Glass
If the pitch is turning it automatically makes Asif less dangerous as there will not be much swing around. Akhtar wouldn't be in the field during long spells and wart not to support Kaneria anyway.
Xuhaib
International Coach
haha...agree about Akhtar though harsh on Asif he's like any other good bowler lethal when conditions suit him and keeps it tight when they don't, last test both innings were an excellent example of how he usually bowls.If the pitch is turning it automatically makes Asif less dangerous as there will not be much swing around. Akhtar wouldn't be in the field during long spells and wart not to support Kaneria anyway.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Yeah, I might have overdone the Asif part. Let my personal rating of his bowling get in the way. Didn't say he was useless though, just said it made him less dangerous.
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It's true though. When one of your bowlers is taking 7/180, presumably in about 50 overs of bowling, the others just aren't getting the job done at the other end.
I've always rated Danish Kaneria relatively highly (despite his comical batting and fielding). He turns his legbreak a reasonable amount, has an excellent googly, a useful topspinner and a fairly promising flipper (which he could use more).
The one criticism that could be leveled at him is that, while he takes wickets, he usually pays a heavy price for them (it's not unusual to see him concede 5/150+). I suspect that's partially due to Akmal's ineptitude and failings of the other bowlers, but he hardly ever runs through sides like Abdul Qadir could.
The one criticism that could be leveled at him is that, while he takes wickets, he usually pays a heavy price for them (it's not unusual to see him concede 5/150+). I suspect that's partially due to Akmal's ineptitude and failings of the other bowlers, but he hardly ever runs through sides like Abdul Qadir could.
vic_orthdox
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He's like a leg-spinning version of Monty. He just bowls, and bowls, and doesn't really seem to think that much about what he's bowling to, and why he's bowling the way that he is.
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Haha yeah this is so true. It was even worse in '07 when he tried to split his bowling 50-50 between leg breaks and googlies.
aussie
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Most cases i would think so, but i'm not sure if bowling a spell of 50-180-7 = the other bowlers not getting the job done. Since Kaneria has had quality pace bowling support at times.
The story of Murali's career was bowling without support (especially away from hom) & he still managed to run, then we have the example of Warne in the Ashes 05. As lone rangers they managed to spin out sides with big hauls at not such a HIGH cost. Now of course its harsh to compare Kaneria's potential effectiveness to two of the greatest spinners of all time - but it does seem to be an alarming trend in his bowling that his 5 wicket hauls always seem to come at a high cost.
Prince EWS
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Yeah, the only bowler who could take 7/150 without ineffective support is Cullen Bailey.
Prince EWS
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You're not really thinking about it properly IMO. If a bowler actually has the chance to bowl 50 overs and takes seven of the available ten wickets, even if he opens the bowling and stays on unchanged all day, whoever bowling from other end is doing **** all regardless of what his name is.
The only ways it'd be possible to take 7/180 with genuinely good support were
a) if you were going at about 9 runs per over; or
b) if you could bowl from both ends.
A is completely unheard of in Test cricket and B is against the laws of the game.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Haa well if i haven't thought it through properly, i think you have thought about it too much my friend
, since i wasn't riducling him that much that you have bring A & B as examples.Lets just use two of his test as examples:
- SCG 05: This certainly is an example of a test where he was only likely wicket-taker & the others gave him no support. So these figures are acceptable & understandable.
- Napier 09: Now this is what i'm talking about. Following the NZ series (on cricinfo it wasn't broadcasted over here) Asif/Aamer/Gul clearly where bowling well as a group, so he had solid support there. The pitch flattened out a bit, but instead of spinning through NZ a traditionally weak team againts spin, with lets say 7/100 - he toiled away for 7/188.