Official Pakistan in New Zealand (3 tests)

DIRK-NANNES · Dec 6, 2009

Faisal1985 said:
Would like to know how does that pitch usually plays out at Napier? Seaming? Flat? or ideal which has something for everyone?

Flat

It's questionable whether Cumming is good enough, if you look at the games he's played recently against 2nd string international attacks, he has scored jack all runs.

Tour Match: New Zealand Invitation XI v Pakistanis at Queenstown, Nov 18-20, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Tour Match: Sri Lanka Cricket Development XI v New Zealanders at Colombo (NCC), Aug 12-14, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
1st unofficial ODI: New Zealand A v England Lions at Palmerston North, Mar 14, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Not to mention his random CH series appearance :laugh:

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Howsie said:
Tough calls for desperate Vettori | Cricket News | New Zealand v Pakistan 2009-10 | Cricinfo.com

Patton

EDIT: Okay, Howsie randomly adding Patton to the quote then.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Voltman said:
Still only at the nets getting throwdowns, so he's a wee way off.

Even if he couldnt run he'd still probably score more runs than McIntosh, Fulton and co. :ph34r:

Howsie · Dec 6, 2009

Flem274* said:
Patton

EDIT: Okay, Howsie randomly adding Patton to the quote then.

Got ya

Hurricane · Dec 6, 2009

DIRK-NANNES said:
Flat

It's questionable whether Cumming is good enough, if you look at the games he's played recently against 2nd string international attacks, he has scored jack all runs.

Tour Match: New Zealand Invitation XI v Pakistanis at Queenstown, Nov 18-20, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Tour Match: Sri Lanka Cricket Development XI v New Zealanders at Colombo (NCC), Aug 12-14, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
1st unofficial ODI: New Zealand A v England Lions at Palmerston North, Mar 14, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Not to mention his random CH series appearance

This post depresses me. Why does this country lack test match standard batsman.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Howsie said:
Got ya

You won't admit it, but you're warming to him. :cool:

Join the dark (green) side Howsie.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Hurricane said:
This post depresses me. Why does this country lack test match standard batsman.

Because Brent Arnel, Tim Southee, Trent Boult, Graeme Aldridge, Ewen Thompson, Michael Mason, Daryl Tuffey, Lance Shaw, Michael Bates, Iain O'Brilliant, Mark Gillespie, Andy McKay, Jeetan Patel, Chris Martin, Neil Wagner, Warren McSkimming and Sam Wells keep getting ****loads of wickets. Therefore batsmen have low to average averages bar wierdos (Skippy, Fulton) or the test class batsmen.

My hastily made up bull**** theory anyway.

Athlai · Dec 6, 2009

Last year there truckloads of openers averaging 50+ so I don't think that flys Phlegm.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Might have a look for domestic batsmen that average over a certain mark, might make it 38 because in NZ conditions thats getting up there. If we make it 40 the list will be half made up of the usual suspects.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Athlai said:
Last year there truckloads of openers averaging 50+ so I don't think that flys Phlegm.

The pitches were also the flattest they'd been in ages.

It was a bull**** theory anyway. Its more likely to be the coaching they grew up with. I doubt many domestic batsmen make really radical changes from the techniques they developed as kids, though there will always be exceptions. All the flaws will be so ingrained they will be hard to iron out and the more gifted yet flawed batsmen (like Sinclair and Fulton) are able to survive and dominate up to a certain level.

Would be interesting if Bond, Martin, Tuffey and co. played more domestic cricket. I suspect a few batsmen might suffer and be exposed whilst others would remain the same.

slugger · Dec 6, 2009

theres already a system availible. the mvp sinclair won it last year... and im sure the selectors should use the system to base selections on etc.. bowling and batting..

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Howsie · Dec 6, 2009

But you're suggesting Raval, Kitchen, Rhodes, Williamson, Patton, Weston and Harris?

NUFAN · Dec 6, 2009

Flem274* said:
Batsmen that average over 38

Peter Fulton | New Zealand Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Ross Taylor | New Zealand Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Neil Broom | New Zealand Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Kane Williamson | New Zealand Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Brad Patton | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Mathew Sinclair | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Timothy Weston | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Anaru Kitchen | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Jeet Raval | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Josh Brodie | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com (close enough, not that I'm seriously suggesting him)
Stewart Rhodes | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com (lol)
Chris Harris | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com (WAG)

I think thats it

Interesting. I'm going to check out how many in Australian Domestic Cricket average that mark. I'll only include players who have played a 4 or 5 day match this year.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

Howsie said:
But you're suggesting Raval, Kitchen, Rhodes, Williamson, Patton, Weston and Harris?

No, I just went through and found the players. No suggestions anywhere.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

NUFAN said:
Interesting. I'm going to check out how many in Australian Domestic Cricket average that mark. I'll only include players who have played a 4 or 5 day match this year.

I excluded Greg Hay for that reason.

NUFAN · Dec 6, 2009

Flem274* said:
I excluded Greg Hay for that reason.

22 players average of 38 career wise. If you make it an average of 45, Australia has 12 players, the same NZ has at 38.

Conditions would be different, but our domestic pitches always offer heaps to the bowlers.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

NUFAN said:
22 players average of 38 career wise. If you make it an average of 45, Australia has 12 players, the same NZ has at 38.

Conditions would be different, but our domestic pitches always offer heaps to the bowlers.

really? Thats surprising. Thought it was the opposite.

Ours vary. There's Napier and there was Eden Park, then there's the Uni Oval (they made an awesome test pitch though) and in the middle is the likes of Wellington.

Then there's the fact 150/5 is a common domestic score after two sessions..

NUFAN · Dec 6, 2009

Flem274* said:
really? Thats surprising. Thought it was the opposite.

Ours vary. There's Napier and there was Eden Park, then there's the Uni Oval (they made an awesome test pitch though) and in the middle is the likes of Wellington.

Then there's the fact 150/5 is a common domestic score after two sessions..

Maybe I shouldn't say 'heaps' but they do offer a fair bit and everyone says that they offer more for the bowlers in domestic cricket.

Really looking forward to seeing who NZ end up picking for the decider.

Flem274* · Dec 6, 2009

NUFAN said:
Maybe I shouldn't say 'heaps' but they do offer a fair bit and everyone says that they offer more for the bowlers in domestic cricket.

Really looking forward to seeing who NZ end up picking for the decider.

Meh no point bitching about conditions we have in NZ, we just need better batsmen.

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