Saeed Anwar vs. Virender Sehwag

[subshakerz]

Can anyone give me an innings better than Sehwag's 201* at Galle. That was a masterclass and played in tough conditions against tough bowlers.

This one from Anwar in Calcutta is around the same level, I reckon. Particularly cas' it was in the second innings after India got a lead.

1st Match: India v Pakistan at Kolkata, Feb 16-20, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

 

[aussie]

No it wasn't.

England largely threw their wickets away on the 1st Day.

Excuse me?. Try telling Ian Bell that.

Shane Warne fantastic bowling on day 1, was the reason ENG didn't run away with the game. Since Lee was inconsistent, Tait erratic & Pigeon not 100%.

Australia were extremely comfortable in their first innings until weather and time constrictions forced them to play in conditions on the 4th day that ordinarily would have seen the batsmen take the light and sit out the rest of the day on the balcony. At one point, the stump mic picked up Flintoff walking past the umpire between deliveries telling the umpire (Bowden iirc) to put some lights on the bails as he couldn't see them. Hence the collapse to some outstanding bowling from Flintoff and Hoggard.

The pitch was still pretty flat on the 5th day as well.

All true. But to suggest AUS where extremely comfortable in that first innings before that collapse to Flintoff & Hoggard (when the conditions got really got overcast) is a bit OTT. Hayden & Langer, especially Hayden had to adjust his game a great deal beyond anything he had done for 5 years to be able to survive. He still had to negotiate Hoggard who troubled him all series, with his then technical flaw of inswingers into pad. Hayden did & came out on top.

 

[Top_Cat]

All true. But to suggest AUS where extremely comfortable in that first innings before that collapse to Flintoff & Hoggard (when the conditions got really got overcast) is a bit OTT. Hayden & Langer, especially Hayden had to adjust his game a great deal beyond anything he had done for 5 years to be able to survive. He still had to negotiate Hoggard who troubled him all series, with his then technical flaw of inswingers into pad. Hayden did & came out on top.

That's all because he was batting like ****. Nothing to do with the pitch.

Seriously, I'm as big a Haydos fan as anyone but if he was going to get a score anywhere in that series, most would have tipped The Oval.

 

[aussie]

That's all because he was batting like ****. Nothing to do with the pitch.

Not sure what you mean here.

Seriously, I'm as big a Haydos fan as anyone but if he was going to get a score anywhere in that series, most would have tipped The Oval.

The Oval wasn't even the flattest pitch of the series. Old trafford was. So if it is you are suggesting that Hayden only scored runs at Oval because the pitch got flat, i would suggest you buy the Ashes series DVD & watch Hayden's innings again.

 

[Top_Cat]

The Oval wasn't even the flattest pitch of the series. Old trafford was. So if it is you are suggesting that Hayden only scored runs at Oval because the pitch got flat, i would suggest you buy the Ashes series DVD & watch Hayden's innings again.

Got it, have watched it and watched it live and all of the pitches were pretty flat, tbh.

He didn't *only* score because the deck was a road but it certainly helped his cause. And that the ball rarely swings at The Oval.

 

[aussie]

Got it, have watched it and watched it live and all of the pitches were pretty flat, tbh.

They where no green tops per seh like Headingley this year no. But the overhead conditons where very condusive to seam bowling (Harmo & Mcgrath's @ Lords, Jones @ TB, Hoggard/Flintoff on the 4th afternoon @ the Oval & Hoggard all series with the new ball). Plus of course ENG got the ball reversing when the pitch was flat. So overall AUS batsmen never had easy batting conditons.

He didn't *only* score because the deck was a road but it certainly helped his cause. And that the ball rarely swings at The Oval.

Yes it never swings at the Oval. The Oval plays like Brisbane the most sporting wicket in ENG (although some roads have been present in the past Ashes 2001, SA 03, SRI 98 for eg).

But Hoggard swings the new ball & swung it early in that first innings, he troubled Hayden all series with the inswinger in previous 4 tests as you would/should remember. If Hayden didn't adjust technically he wouldn't have scored that hundred.

 

[Top_Cat]

No kidding, you're deluded. But anyway, enough about Haydos.

 

[aussie]

No kidding, you're deluded. But anyway, enough about Haydos.

Yes typical lame response when your are argument has been rubbished. Try again cat..

Next you will be telling me the pitches vs SA 05/06 home & away where Hayden scored runs were flat too...

 

[ret]

I have had a fair share of debates on forums and have realized that a guy debating usually has a fixed opinion which he is unable to change because of his line of thinking (on many occasions limited intelligence plays a part too). The bad part is the more he debates, the more convinced he becomes on what he believes in. He would keep on throwing moot points, one after another and keep looking for more to show to himself that he can't be wrong even if a part of him is telling him he is

Unless one has an open mind and a desire to see other guys PoV to see if he is missing out on something, such debates are futile

*With this I am out of here*

 

[Furball]

This could well be down to technical ignorance on my part, but I don't see what the overhead conditions have to do with the ball seaming around.

 

[aussie]

I have had a fair share of debates on forums and have realized that a guy debating usually has a fixed opinion which he is unable to change because of his line of thinking (on many occasions limited intelligence plays a part too). The bad part is the more he debates, the more convinced he becomes on what he believes in. He would keep on throwing moot points, one after another and keep looking for more to show to himself that he can't be wrong even if a part of him is telling him he is

Unless one has an open mind and a desire to see other guys PoV to see if he is missing out on something, such debates are futile

*With this I am out of here*

Cool story bro. See ya later alligator..

 

[aussie]

This could well be down to technical ignorance on my part, but I don't see what the overhead conditions have to do with the ball seaming around.

An overcast day would increase the amount of seam & swing a bowler would get.

 

[Sir Alex]

Indeed. Similarly also because Gary Sobers scored just one hundred vs or in NZ. The fact the he averaged 23 againts those fantastic Kiwi bowlers overall. That one hundred was a clearly a fluke.

Where is Sobers coming from? Other than that they were both left handed batsmen, Anwar and Sobers do not deserve to be in the same plane for comparison.

 

[Sir Alex]

Martyn & Langer's hundreds in SRI 04 & Fleming 274* in SRI 03/04 are comparable innings againts quality spinners in tough conditions.

You are joking. While the rest of the batting lineup apart from Tendulkar and Gambhir had no clue whatsoever against mendis, Sehwag was toying him around the park.

 

[Sir Alex]

This one from Anwar in Calcutta is around the same level, I reckon. Particularly cas' it was in the second innings after India got a lead.

1st Match: India v Pakistan at Kolkata, Feb 16-20, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

I disagree subshakerz with the above. It was not a spinners game and only Srinath looked threatening in that match from India's point of view. Pakistani batsmen threw away their wickets with abandon and that made Anwar's efforts look superlative. I admit it was a good innings but it was never in the league of Galle 2001.

 

[aussie]

You are joking. While the rest of the batting lineup apart from Tendulkar and Gambhir had no clue whatsoever against mendis, Sehwag was toying him around the park.

You do realize the Fleming's 274* for those who saw it, gave it the ultimate accolade of being "The Blueprint" for playing spin in the sub-continent for an overseas batsman?. Read up..

While Martyn & Langer hundreds in SRI 04 are definately comparable.

Firstly Martyn's hundred in Kandy. As you can see unlike IND in 08 with Sehwag where they dominated they test, AUS where way behind in the test & with Murali & Vaas in top form he played a masterpiece

Secondly Langer's hundred in Colombo. AUS in the second innings where at one stage 98/5 with Murali & Herath very much on top. Langer played out his skins, given that in the past he was very poor againts spinners.

Where is Sobers coming from? Other than that they were both left handed batsmen, Anwar and Sobers do not deserve to be in the same plane for comparison.

You claimed that Anwar's hundred in SA 97/98 was a fluke because he averaged 34 overall in SA & because Mahmood also was able to score runs againts that SA attack.

Thats was clearly a very poor comparison, interpretation of stats & understanding of what occured in that series. Since by your reasoning here we can use that argument to ridicule Sobers poor record againts NZ & call his only hundred vs them a fluke.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Mahmood is obviously a better batsman than Anwar since he has performed much better against great attacks.

 

[Prince EWS]

Mathew Sinclair is obviously a better batsman than Sehwag since he has performed much better against great attacks.

Indeed.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Indeed.

Hussain > Sinclair > Sehwag > Mahmood > Shahriar Nafees > Anwar

 

[Top_Cat]

mahmood is obviously a better batsman than anwar since he has performed much better against great attacks.

poty.