Never saw him live but find it somewhat incredible that a bloke could take two-and-a-half thousand FC wickets and not have found a way to bowl well on pitches which weren't conducive to his style of bowling.
How is it stupid? He is certainly one of the best spin bowling all rounders of all time, but thats also saying that spin bowling all rounders have been nowhere near as prolific as their pace counterparts.
"the greatest" is significantly different from "one of the best".
When the position of "the greatest" is disputable then it isn't that different at all. There isn't a Bradman of spin bowling allrounders.
well athlai. i have said it all and i am moving on, dude.
I know about those charming blokes, and I'd discount Sobers because he was an all-round allrounder, bowled darn near anything. If he stuck to the spin bowling discipline then he would easily be the best.
And how many of those bowled on covered pitches? Didn't you say in the "...minnows..." thread that we shouldn't be comparing players from before pitches were covered with those after - from a bowling perspective? (it may not have been you, but someone said it)
i did not say that. i dont think they are in a different group.
and Warne averaged 36 - 38 in FCC in australia? Hogg had every aspect of a genuine match winning wrist spin bowler. Only thing is he lacked chances. His ODI stats will give a hint of how good he had been in the longer format if he was playing on helpful pitches, or frequently against ENG, NZ or SAF. But I agree, its hypothetical. But his class was apparent.
Australia is a tough place to bowl spin. MacGill, McGain, , Casson, Hauritz, Krezja etc all have woeful records, but have relatively better test records. Even Warne for that matter.
That doesn't really answer his question about Hogg's county cricket record at all. English conditions and Australian conditions are not the same thing.
Relatively as in no ****ing way..
Poor old Roy Park, what a debut (only) match he had...