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Where does Vettori rank all-time as an all-rounder?
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Zinzan
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Yeah, not these days, but I'm sure he used to get more turn 7-8 years ago. He didn't have to rely only on the batsman making mistakes in this game in 2000 for example....
YouTube - Daniel Vettori bowling highlight
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That was a very tricky pitch, though.
Zinzan
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Yes, but the general criticism of him in this thread is that he's not that effective these days even on helpful wickets like this one against top sides, which I do kind of agree with.
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Indeed, much more sidespin. He could beat batsmen in the air and off the pitch back then. These days he only beats them in the air. Misjudging the length is crucial so much less often when the ball isn't turning.
You could say he's adapted his bowling to fit his role in the side, becoming a much more defensive bowler as he's given much more responsibility. I don't know if the results justify it though.
You could say he's adapted his bowling to fit his role in the side, becoming a much more defensive bowler as he's given much more responsibility. I don't know if the results justify it though.
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Not sure trying to replicate his old action would help him get more spin now. Reckon it's more a case of him not having the same elasticity to bowl like that these days after all the back problems.
In looking at that footage again, I think It was the bounce or spring he had in his action that was the main difference from the Vettori of 2009
NUFAN
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You say there are no positives with Bangladesh, they haven't even being losing for as long as the proud and talented cricketing nation of India.
This ties in nicely with Vettori vs Bangladesh, because if Daniel didn't perform well and Bangladesh won you might actually start counting Bangladesh's performances.
the time period means next to nothing here, there were far less test matches played back then, so india played much lesser number of tests before their first win against a top-level international team...in addition the facilities available to improve the game are much better now in terms of coaching, equipment, coverage, opportunities, infrastructure; you name it...the situations are not even remotely comparable, bangladesh despite being passionate about the game as a nation is without a shadow of a doubt the worst test nation to gain entry into the top-most rung of cricket(even making a mockery of the term "top-rung")...but this is vettori's thread so i won't try to hijack it; my last word, just irritates me when people slip the "time" argument in while discussing/arguing this...
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NUFAN
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This is the exact reason why it's harder now to be up to the level of the other test nations who have had all these things for so long, back when India started cricket was obviously not as professional.the time period means next to nothing here, there were far less test matches played back then, so india played much lesser number of tests before their first win against a top-level international team...in addition the facilities available to improve the game are much better now in terms of coaching, equipment, coverage, opportunities, infrastructure; you name it...the situations are not even remotely comparable, bangladesh despite being passionate about the game as a nation is without a shadow of a doubt the worst test nation to gain entry into the top-most rung of cricket(even making a mockery of the term "top-rung")...but this is vettori's thread so i won't try to hijack it; my last word, just irritates me when people slip the "time" argument in while discussing/arguing this...
Also I'm going to continue to irritate you because time is so important. It can take a generation or two in many cases before a country starts winning more often, this has happened to a few countries.
Bangladesh have beaten the West Indies and would have beaten New Zealand if Daniel Vettori didn't produce one of his best Test performances.
HeathDavisSpeed
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6 times?
Look, I called you out about your massive exaggerations before and you leap back into it. I'd call "never" significantly over the top.
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Never is a very slight exaggeration, but "six times" is taking the piss. I'll call you out on THAT huge exaggeration. Vettori has taken four wickets in the fourth innings of a game twice, both times were over 12 years ago, and only once did it win New Zealand the match. The real number is once.
6 times?
Look, I called you out about your massive exaggerations before and you leap back into it. I'd call "never" significantly over the top.
The only match Vettori has ever bowled NZ to victory in the fourth innings.
I think using the word "never" to mean "once in a 95-test career" is perfectly reasonable.
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They've lost 53 matches in a row! WHY is the fact that they got themselves into a reasonable position against New Zealand once before choking and throwing the match away worthy of credit?
Migara
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If i am not mistaken Pat Symcox did it at #10
Migara
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Ajmal everyday as a spinner. yes.
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Ha no way man.
HeathDavisSpeed
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And how many times in a 95 test career have the New Zealand batsmen provided Vettori with the opportunity to bowl NZ to victory in the 4th innings? If you want to use stats to damn someone, pull your head out of your arse and have a look around.
I just plucked 6 times out of the air as I couldn't be bothered to "fact check" a statement of "Never" (hence the question mark, btw). I thought a random number has as much basis in fact as a barefaced lie.
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The fact that he hasn't gotten that much opportunity to do it doesn't make the statement "he never does it" any less accurate. So I said "never" when I should have said "once in 95 tests". That doesn't justify your crankiness.
HeathDavisSpeed
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Well, I thought I'd call you out again on your tabloidesque hyperbole. It is also true that its hard to bowl your team to victory in the final innings of a test if you don't get many opportunities to do so, is it not?
Also, I think any assessment of whether he bowls NZ to victory should be compared with his kinsmen. How many times has a SLA bowled their team to victory in the 4th innings? I think I recall Tufnell doing so on a couple of occasions, but is a destructive 4th innings a fair measure of success for a SLA?