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Career lengths etc.So, performance against minnows count? and BTW, if Strang did not get his shoulder injury, his average would have come down as he was very young when he retired.
Career lengths etc.So, performance against minnows count? and BTW, if Strang did not get his shoulder injury, his average would have come down as he was very young when he retired.
That's funny considering how Zimbabwe weren't much of a minnow back then in comparison to now. In fact, they were pretty close to New Zealand............all against proper sides, while being in a minnow side
Why? It's a pretty fair comparison, isn't it?That's funny considering how Zimbabwe weren't much of a minnow back then in comparison to now. In fact, they were pretty close to New Zealand............
Anyways, the stats you pulled out of your arse should have gone straight into the toilet where they belong.
Shows that you have no argument, and has stooped down to the low level of sewage.That's funny considering how Zimbabwe weren't much of a minnow back then in comparison to now. In fact, they were pretty close to New Zealand............
Anyways, the stats you pulled out of your arse should have gone straight into the toilet where they belong.
He was. Easily the best bowler they had after Streak, Traicos and perhaps Brandes.I quite liked Paul Strang, but wasn't he a wristie?
compare indivdual stats of Vettori and Strang vs each team, and you'll see the similarity in the pattern. And Zimbabwe was much worse than NZ in playing spin. So Wiseman taking 8 is nt much of a surprise. And have a comparison at 24 test matches how each fared.Haha. Just looked up Paul Strang. He averaged over 40 in New Zealand, 47 in Pakistan and only performed in Sri Lanka (16 @ 28) and at Home (37 @ 35). Its hardly much to go on, is it?
Too limited a sample for my liking. No games in England, Australia or South Africa and most of his wickets came against England or New Zealand at home. Hardly the best players of spin.
So, different types of bowling and Strang's results are inflated by playing at home against players inadequate against spin.
EDIT: Even better, I looked up his best test result (against NZ at home in Bulawayo) where he took 10 in the match... Paul Wiseman took 8 wickets in the game including 5 in the first dig. It may be fair to say that it was a bit of a gimme for Strang. A spinning wicket and a team who don't play spin well.
At 24 Tests how old was Vettori exactly? And how old Strang?compare indivdual stats of Vettori and Strang vs each team, and you'll see the similarity in the pattern. And Zimbabwe was much worse than NZ in playing spin. So Wiseman taking 8 is nt much of a surprise. And have a comparison at 24 test matches how each fared.
Murali 67 121 4008.0 938 9951 428 8/46 13/171 23.25 2.48 56.1 35 15
SK Warne 64 125 3005.1 615 8868 348 7/94 12/246 25.48 2.95 51.8 20 6
Harbhajan 63 114 3058.5 562 8751 286 8/84 15/217 30.59 2.86 64.1 22 5
A Kumble 68 123 3616.0 724 10614 325 8/141 13/181 32.65 2.93 66.7 19 5
PL Harris 23 39 839.4 170 2289 70 6/127 9/161 32.70 2.72 71.9 2 0
Saqlain 20 34 1004.2 225 2597 77 8/164 9/178 33.72 2.58 78.2 2 0
MS Panesar 39 65 1507.0 308 4331 126 6/37 10/187 34.37 2.87 71.7 8 1
Jayasuriya 56 75 760.0 187 1813 52 5/34 8/94 34.86 2.38 87.6 1 0
Herath 15 28 661.3 125 1923 53 5/99 8/209 36.28 2.90 74.8 4 0
Kaneria 49 88 2453.1 425 7464 198 7/118 10/190 37.69 3.04 74.3 10 1
SCG MacGill 26 52 1194.3 232 3996 105 7/104 9/182 38.05 3.34 68.2 4 0
DL Vettori 58 92 2341.0 488 6487 166 7/87 12/149 39.07 2.77 84.6 10 2
AF Giles 49 80 1921.0 372 5521 139 5/57 9/122 39.71 2.87 82.9 5 0
RW Price 15 23 741.1 171 2150 54 6/73 10/161 39.81 2.90 82.3 5 1
Rafique 29 41 1241.4 232 3619 88 6/77 9/160 41.12 2.91 84.6 6 0
CH Gayle 73 86 1025.1 199 2731 65 5/34 6/81 42.01 2.66 94.6 2 0
N Boje 41 69 1377.2 280 4072 95 5/62 8/134 42.86 2.95 86.9 3 0
But how is Vettori's first 24 tests representative of his career as a whole? I just don't get this idea.And have a comparison at 24 test matches how each fared.
how do you want to do this analysis? i am not working towards any answer that would suit my argument, trust me. you decide the parameters. any which way you look at it vettori will turn up with crap numbers if you leave out bangladesh i am sure.But how is Vettori's first 24 tests representative of his career as a whole? I just don't get this idea.
And bagapath - your use of stats is very selective. Why last 10 years? Why exclude Bangladesh when his contribution saved New Zealand from defeat? Why compare SLAs with (in particular) wrist spinners? If you put Vettori alongside any other SLAs where does he rank? Panesar in particular fared well early on in his career and has declined massively as players have worked him out. Vettori has sustained his output over a prolonged period and has taken in excess of 300 test wickets.
Neil Johnson was pretty good too. That Zimbabwe side would go damn well these days. Would beat the West Indies with some ease and probably beat New Zealand and Pakistan - at least at home. I really liked that Zimbabwe side back then. They were pretty good to watch.And to add to the list of selective stats......
When you say "non-minnows" did you include the Zimbabwe sides of yesteryear that included the Flowers, Streak, Campbell, Strangs etc etc? Who were actually quite competitive against NZ.
Or doesn't that suit your arguments either?
300 test wickets does not meet my definition of "Crap Numbers" for a start. I'm sure there's plenty of other players out there who would be delighted to get halfway to that.how do you want to do this analysis? i am not working towards any answer that would suit my argument, trust me. you decide the parameters. any which way you look at it vettori will turn up with crap numbers if you leave out bangladesh i am sure.
Muralitharan 120 205 6775.1 1668 16604 699 9/51 16/220 23.75 2.45 58.1 55 18
SK Warne 142 267 6665.5 1742 17624 691 8/71 12/128 25.50 2.64 57.8 36 10
A Kumble 128 230 6727.1 1555 18107 604 10/74 14/149 29.97 2.69 66.8 35 8
Saqlain Mushtaq 46 80 2277.5 527 6039 199 8/164 10/155 30.34 2.65 68.6 12 3
Harbhajan 77 141 3622.3 685 10216 333 8/84 15/217 30.67 2.82 65.2 23 5
SLV Raju 28 51 1267.0 362 2857 93 6/12 11/125 30.72 2.25 81.7 5 1
SCG MacGill 39 75 1687.4 331 5436 166 7/50 12/107 32.74 3.22 61.0 7 1
Mushtaq Ahmed 52 89 2088.4 405 6100 185 7/56 10/106 32.97 2.92 67.7 10 3
MS Panesa 39 65 1507.0 308 4331 126 6/37 10/187 34.37 2.87 71.7 8 1
PR Adams 43 72 1423.5 328 4226 122 7/128 8/139 34.63 2.96 70.0 2 0
ST Jayasuriya 105 135 1321.4 313 3262 93 5/34 9/74 35.07 2.46 85.2 2 0
DL Vettori 87 140 3587.0 849 9620 261 7/87 12/149 36.85 2.68 82.4 13 2
PCR Tufnell 42 70 1881.2 505 4560 121 7/47 11/93 37.68 2.42 93.2 5 2
Danish Kaneria 49 88 2453.1 425 7464 198 7/118 10/190 37.69 3.04 74.3 10 1
AF Giles 52 84 1991.0 390 5694 142 5/57 9/122 40.09 2.85 84.1 5 0
Rafique 33 48 1457.2 301 4076 100 6/77 9/160 40.76 2.79 87.4 7 0
N Boje 43 72 1436.4 293 4265 100 5/62 8/134 42.65 2.96 86.2 3 0
CL Hooper 86 125 2110.2 496 5114 107 5/26 7/178 47.79 2.42 118.3 4 0