Howsie
International Captain
He scored a 100 for NZ A didn't he? Or maybe it was for the Emerging team.
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***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10
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Athlai
Not Terrible
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah I saw a bit of that - was the first time I'd seen Wagner bowl and I was expecting something a bit different tbh. Not that that means anything necessarily - like Athlai says a few games off-colour doesn't prove anything and will see how he goes the rest of the season.
He only needs to come good in about 18 months time anyway
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Good call!
Woodcock run out while batting with him and then Brodie run out just after the century.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Yeah the things you learn by going to the local cricket.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Hrmmm yeah, I might manage that one day. Living in Australia currently make it difficultYeah the things you learn by going to the local cricket.
, but not sure how much longer will be doing that.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Fulton gets his hundred.
Have to say, of the domestic bullies I still have a soft spot for Sinclair, Cumming and Fulton and sometimes convince myself against my better judgment that they might do ok if given just one more chance. Whereas I really am sure I don't want Bell or Papps near the black caps again, ever.
Have to say, of the domestic bullies I still have a soft spot for Sinclair, Cumming and Fulton and sometimes convince myself against my better judgment that they might do ok if given just one more chance. Whereas I really am sure I don't want Bell or Papps near the black caps again, ever.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I don't know where Cumming gets his reputation as a domestic bully from. He's done about as well as you'd expect at Test level for someone who averaged 36 in First Class cricket IMO. Fulton averages 44 and Sinclair averages almost 49 (which itself is deflated a bit by his 32 Tests).
Cumming's a good domestic player and he had a great 2008/09 season but unlike Sinclair and Fulton, it's a matter of just not being good enough rather than not being able to convert his performances to Test level. He's just been solid for Canterbury/Otago for ages - he's had good seasons and bad ones.
Cumming's a good domestic player and he had a great 2008/09 season but unlike Sinclair and Fulton, it's a matter of just not being good enough rather than not being able to convert his performances to Test level. He's just been solid for Canterbury/Otago for ages - he's had good seasons and bad ones.
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straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Am mainly calling Cumming a domestic bully based on the last couple of seasons where I thought he'd really piled on the runs. However looked up his record and was surprised that he'd been pretty poor for a couple of seasons prior to the last one when he averaged 65. Of course his international matches are included in his season-by-season record below so would drag down his average a lot for some of those seasons.
Archive & Stats
IMO he'll probably average 50+ again this season (has certainly started pretty well) and I tend to think he's reached that plateau that the other players mentioned have where he has the experience, confidence and familiarity to slap around most of the domestic bowlers in NZ conditions. As well as scoring runs he's been doing it fairly quickly and therefore I'm assuming, more easily. Just like Papps, Bell, Sinclair and Fulton often do. Therefore IMO is reaching big-fish-in-small-pond status and is graduating as a domestic bully
Flem274*
123/5
Its only the second match
ND are pretty good at bowling. Pity their batting includes the likes of James Marshall and Michael Parlane.
Though unfortunately they also happen to have Kane Williamson, damn them.
DIRK-NANNES
U19 Vice-Captain
Wagner's always been a just below/touching 140K bowler. Suppose I'm not one of those 'all' people
, I don't recall him being noted as a speed demon.Yeah he did get one for the Emerging Players, although it was only a 2-day match so it doesn't have FC status.
Tour Match: New Zealand Emerging Players v England Lions at Lincoln, Feb 22-23, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Howsie
International Captain
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain Matthew Sinclair said on here that he was the fastest bowler going around domestic cricket?Wagner's always been a just below/touching 140K bowler. Suppose I'm not one of those 'all' people
Howsie
International Captain
Bowling's far and away our strength, but most people seem to think we would stuggle to chase down 100 if needed too. Wilson, Marshall, Parlane, Williamson and Flynn when he gets back (can't see him playing too much international cricket this year) is more then good enough.Its only the second match
ND are pretty good at bowling. Pity their batting includes the likes of James Marshall and Michael Parlane.
Though unfortunately they also happen to have Kane Williamson, damn them.
DIRK-NANNES
U19 Vice-Captain
You were thinking of this maybe?
Cricket Web - Mathew Sinclair Blog: Mathew Sinclair Post Chat Highlights
He's mentioned right down at the bottom.
Flem274*
123/5
Pretty sure it was McClenaghan who said Wagner was one of the quickest in the country.
Tbh him being one of the quickest here isn't all that surprising considering that bowlers that can hit 140 are considered rather nippy here. The only genuinely quick bowlers we have are Shane Bond, Mitchell McClenaghan, possibly Te Ahu Davis (not sure how much pace injury stole from him) and possibly Sherlock (see Davis).
Then below that lot would be Mark Gillespie in his own category of being able to bowl anywhere from 125kph to 145kph (remembering his test debut in SA where the commentators were surprised at the speed gun readings from him).
Then guys like Iain O'Brien, Chris Martin, Neil Wagner, Ian Butler and possibly Hamish Bennett can hit the low 140s when they really crank it (Last I saw of Bennett was a couple of seasons ago at most, can't recall much).
Tbh him being one of the quickest here isn't all that surprising considering that bowlers that can hit 140 are considered rather nippy here. The only genuinely quick bowlers we have are Shane Bond, Mitchell McClenaghan, possibly Te Ahu Davis (not sure how much pace injury stole from him) and possibly Sherlock (see Davis).
Then below that lot would be Mark Gillespie in his own category of being able to bowl anywhere from 125kph to 145kph (remembering his test debut in SA where the commentators were surprised at the speed gun readings from him).
Then guys like Iain O'Brien, Chris Martin, Neil Wagner, Ian Butler and possibly Hamish Bennett can hit the low 140s when they really crank it (Last I saw of Bennett was a couple of seasons ago at most, can't recall much).
Flem274*
123/5
Dunno, he's not an overly big guy, though I think an article that someone industrious posted said he'd bulked up.