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*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Not everyone's Fabregas TBF.
No because there's only one Cesc Fabregas! One Cesc Fabregas!

What I was trying to say is that to Anderson gets the credit he deserves IMO. He's solid and you're better when he plays. He's just not a brilliant player IMO.
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
No because there's only one Cesc Fabregas! One Cesc Fabregas!

What I was trying to say is that to Anderson gets the credit he deserves IMO. He's solid and you're better when he plays. He's just not a brilliant player IMO.
True. Getting a run now so we'll see if he can recapture the attacking part of his game. He's just decent at it now.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
He's a brilliant striker but I agree with Uppercut that putting him in the same league as Torres and Drogba is either overrating Rooney or seriously underrating the aforementioned pair. There's a not inconsiderable difference between Rooney and the other two imho.
Torres, yes, but he's arguably the best in the world just now. Drogba? Well, it's apples and oranges, isn't it? Drogba's an old-fashioned "English" centre-forward and Rooney's a second striker more comfortable with a target man to play off. It's not coincidence that he scores more goals pro rata for England than Man U when he's given one.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Torres, yes, but he's arguably the best in the world just now. Drogba? Well, it's apples and oranges, isn't it? Drogba's an old-fashioned "English" centre-forward and Rooney's a second striker more comfortable with a target man to play off. It's not coincidence that he scores more goals pro rata for England than Man U when he's given one.
I think it's to Drogba's credit that you put him in any(most) sides around the world and he'll core you a fair amount of goals, no matter what. The fact that Rooney is one of the best in the world playing of a target man but merely very good without one is what makes Drogba the better striker. Call it versatility or adaptability but it's something that Drogba has over Rooney.
 

Uppercut

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Torres is obviously better than Rooney. Can't imagine any non-United fans thinking otherwise.

Personally I think Drogba is about as good as Torres in his own completely different and somewhat more subtle way. When Drogba is playing up front for your team, you can hoof the ball anywhere in the opposition half and more often than not it sticks. Apart from the masses of goals and assists he comes up with, that fact alone makes him immeasurably useful for Chelsea, particularly considering the way they play.

Rooney works his way into useful but not massively threatening positions in between the midfield and defence. Ferguson used to hate players like Rooney- he famously rebuked his scouts for constantly bringing him players who could play "in the hole" with the line, "why don't you go find me a ****ing Shearer!" Rooney's better at what he does than most, but he doesn't bring half to United what Torres or Drogba bring to their teams.
 

Uppercut

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I think it's to Drogba's credit that you put him in any(most) sides around the world and he'll core you a fair amount of goals, no matter what. The fact that Rooney is one of the best in the world playing of a target man but merely very good without one is what makes Drogba the better striker. Call it versatility or adaptability but it's something that Drogba has over Rooney.
That's quite well put. Even if Rooney is world class when he's given a target man (which I'd dispute), Drogba still trumps him because he's world class no matter what.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Thought it was accepted that it's 4-3-3? Certainly what Wenger refers to it as IIRC. Whatever it is it's here to stay as it's being used by every Arsenal side from U11s up.
Not if Tony Adams is to be believed. He said he was speaking to Wenger last week and told him how much he liked the 4-3-3 and Wenger himself said, no its's really more of a 4-1-4-1, with Song screening the back four and Arshavin and Eduardo/Bendtner/Walcott pushing up from the flanks to support Van Persie up top.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Am did i miss something in recent seasons?, because since Henry left i'm sure Arsenal have been playing with these formations - especially 4-3-3.
Yeah you must have as it was nearly always 4-4-2 until we played the likes of United and switched to 4-5-1.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Not if Tony Adams is to be believed. He said he was speaking to Wenger last week and told him how much he liked the 4-3-3 and Wenger himself said, no its's really more of a 4-1-4-1, with Song screening the back four and Arshavin and Eduardo/Bendtner/Walcott pushing up from the flanks to support Van Persie up top.
Haa..interesting
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
In depth explanation of Man Utd's "new system" please, no help from anyone who actually knows what they are talking about.
No longer using Ronaldo as an outlet when playing 4-3-3. When playing that formation, Ronaldo used to drift inside, Rooney and Tevez out wide. The ball was worked through to him as his pace and skill allowed him to make much better use of it than Berbatov or Rooney can. Neither are that fast or skillful so they're easier to mark out than Ronaldo. Leads to isolation sometimes and them having to drop deeper to get involved in play, plus in the air he's much more sure so the crosses that came in were put to much better use.

In the 4-4-2 Berbatov was playing really as an attacking mid, dropping deep and feeding the ball to Ronaldo and Rooney. Valencia's a different kind of winger to Ronaldo. He's one footed and much rather puts in crosses. Ronaldo preferred running at defenders and cutting in lots. He'd also get into the box for crosses from the other side.Now Berba's playing as a target man of sorts and links up with Rooney further up the field, not always drifting as deep as he used to. Hence, when the midfield is shut down as it was at Anfield he'll be cut off as in this role he needs service more from the midfield as he's not dropping as deep as before. The wingers are more focused on putting in crosses and that doesn't make sense really as they get cut out.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Not if Tony Adams is to be believed. He said he was speaking to Wenger last week and told him how much he liked the 4-3-3 and Wenger himself said, no its's really more of a 4-1-4-1, with Song screening the back four and Arshavin and Eduardo/Bendtner/Walcott pushing up from the flanks to support Van Persie up top.
Hmm. IIRC Cesc also gave an interview saying he enjoyed how much more freedom he was being given with the 4-3-3. I mean Song himself gets forward pretty regularly and the widemen always seem to be much more advanced than the central players.
Could liken it to the old Chelsea system of 4-1-2-2-1 but that's ove-rcomplicating it for the sake of it,
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
No longer using Ronaldo as an outlet when playing 4-3-3. When playing that formation, Ronaldo used to drift inside, Rooney and Tevez out wide. The ball was worked through to him as his pace and skill allowed him to make much better use of it than Berbatov or Rooney can. Neither are that fast or skillful so they're easier to mark out than Ronaldo. Leads to isolation sometimes and them having to drop deeper to get involved in play, plus in the air he's much more sure so the crosses that came in were put to much better use.

In the 4-4-2 Berbatov was playing really as an attacking mid, dropping deep and feeding the ball to Ronaldo and Rooney. Valencia's a different kind of winger to Ronaldo. He's one footed and much rather puts in crosses. Ronaldo preferred running at defenders and cutting in lots. He'd also get into the box for crosses from the other side.Now Berba's playing as a target man of sorts and links up with Rooney further up the field, not always drifting as deep as he used to. Hence, when the midfield is shut down as it was at Anfield he'll be cut off as in this role he needs service more from the midfield as he's not dropping as deep as before. The wingers are more focused on putting in crosses and that doesn't make sense really as they get cut out.
 

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