*Official* Australia in India - ODIs

[Athlai]

I thought Paine was always an opener domestically? And Watson's hardly a makeshift opener in ODIs, I would have thought it's his most commonly batted position.

Checking his stats a minute ago it seemed that he had 50 odd opening IIRC. Averaging 40+ too

 

[four_or_six]

Checking his stats a minute ago it seemed that he had 50 odd opening IIRC. Averaging 40+ too

Total crap, drop him.

 

[Nate]

India's bowler with the worst economy rate is Harby @ 5.50. Australia's best was Hauritz with 5.40.

Oh noes.

 

[Pratters]

I will argue as I don't wanna a watch a movie right now...

Praveen was coming off a poor run though in which he took just 2 wickets in the five games prior to the bashing of West Indies 'B'. This is what I considered when thinking he should be liable to the drop - it is not as if we had three locks going in to the series to which the three pacer strategy became obvious. However, I have not considered numerous factors in my previous selection comments and therefore must note them void. Things like not considering the part time spinners rendering an extra spinner of less use than an extra pace bowler seem obvious now, but I did not consider them.

He played for Bangalore Royal Challengers after the Champions Trophy and showed he was not completely out of sorts. I know that should not be a basis for selection or non selection but when you think long term, you don't just think 4-5 games. Any bowler can have 4-5 bad games. If we keep dropping players based on that, no one will maintain their spot.[/quote]

As a side note, not convinced about Praveen's batting at international level, despite his success for UP and India 'A' (especially in that Tri Series against Sri Lanka A and Kenya).

He is a better batsman than Harbhajan Singh and adds value to the side as a batter thus.

His overall economy rate hides the fact that he can be very poor and he can be very good (so it averages out)

Disagreed. He had 3 7 runs per over games in the past 8 or so games. Before that he hasn't been that expensive.

 

[pup11]

At least after this match, Marsh should be back opening and Hilfenhaus won't play for a long while. Surely.

Nah, Marsh really doesn't offer anything vastly different from what Paine already does, I think we need a bloke like Warner or Hughes to partner Watto at the top of the order, because both Paine and Watto or even Marsh for that matter look incapable of making the most of first 15 overs, which is vital in ODI cricket, even more so in the sub-continent.
As for Hilfy, I really don't know why he is always made the scapegoat, after sitting on the bench for months, he finally gets a game and is expected to bowl well against the best batting line-up in the world and that too on a beautiful batting deck, and tbh, there is nothing to suggest that Lee won't have suffered a similar fate.
For me a swing bowler who bowls at a decent pace with good accuracy is a good prospect, and its unfair to write him off just yet, he has good toys in his arsenal and if some confidence is shown in him then he surely has the skills to come good with time.

 

[Manee]

He played for Bangalore Royal Challengers after the Champions Trophy and showed he was not completely out of sorts. I know that should not be a basis for selection or non selection but when you think long term, you don't just think 4-5 games. Any bowler can have 4-5 bad games. If we keep dropping players based on that, no one will maintain their spot.

But at the sixth game out of seven where he has failed to pick up more than one wicket, surely some sort of consideration has to be made. I'm not saying automatic drop, but just some consideration.

He is a better batsman than Harbhajan Singh and adds value to the side as a batter thus.

Disagree that this is true at the international level.

Disagreed. He had 3 7 runs per over games in the past 8 or so games. Before that he hasn't been that expensive.

His past 8 or so games have come in quite a long period of time - it is not a mere blip, especially since his career is actually quite short, atm.

Pratters, this argument is futile. You're saying he should have been a lock, I am saying there should have been some consideration for the place. He has been picked, he has succeeded - little more needs to be said, it is all a bit semantic.

 

[Nate]

Nah, Marsh really doesn't offer anything vastly different from what Paine already does

Apart from an average in the fourties at a better strike-rate after the same number of matches.

As for Hilfy, I really don't know why he is always made the scapegoat, after sitting on the bench for months, he finally gets a game and is expected to bowl well against the best batting line-up in the world

No, he's getting chosen because he's expected to do badly, of course he's expected to do well. And it's not like he was even mediocre. He went for 8.3 an over.

and tbh, there is nothing to suggest that Lee won't have suffered a similar fate.

Hahahaha. No, nothing at all...

So what if he has "good toys"? So does Beau Casson. He averages 35 not only in ODI Cricket but also in List A. There are many better, younger prospects out there.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I thought Paine was always an opener domestically?

wat

 

[Pratters]

But at the sixth game out of seven where he has failed to pick up more than one wicket, surely some sort of consideration has to be made. I'm not saying automatic drop, but just some consideration.[ /quote]

A batsman can go through a bad patch. If you have him in your long term plans, would you drop him if he is batting well in the nets?

Disagree that this is true at the international level.

Time will tell.

His past 8 or so games have come in quite a long period of time - it is not a mere blip, especially since his career is actually quite short, atm.

He played 19-20 games before that going for an economy of above 7 just once. I am sure his over all economy reads even less than 4.8 in that period. Would be 4.5-4.6. He did show for a period of time that he can bowl economically which is different to what you are saying - that he can have his good and bad time in and time out.

Pratters, this argument is futile. You're saying he should have been a lock, I am saying there should have been some consideration for the place. He has been picked, he has succeeded - little more needs to be said, it is all a bit semantic.

I know. I am just arguing because I want to watch a movie a bit later and not now.

 

[andyc]

RRR only 13.29. Hang in there boys!

 

[four_or_six]

There's an enormous gulf in experience between these two sides, especially between the Aussie bowlers and the Indian batsmen. It's hardly surprising if some of the games are a bit one-sided. Australia need Lee back, and then things will look a bit more hopeful for them

 

[Nate]

A six? Unsure what that is exactly.

 

[Manee]

I know. I am just arguing because I want to watch a movie a bit later and not now.

Watch the cricket damn it!

 

[pup11]

Paine has been a proper opener all his career so far, whereas opening the batting is only something Marsh started doing since the IPL, so its Marsh who really is a makeshift opener.

 

[Manee]

He played 19-20 games before that going for an economy of above 7 just once. I am sure his over all economy reads even less than 4.8 in that period. Would be 4.5-4.6. He did show for a period of time that he can bowl economically which is different to what you are saying - that he can have his good and bad time in and time out.

If you look at over 5.5 runs per over (cutting it a bit fine), you will see a stark difference between his great spells and his slightly less useful ones which are carefully interspliced with each other.

 

[pup11]

I guess we should pick Henriques right away for the next game, was in decent batting and bowling form in the CL, and whichever way one looks at it, he would add a lot more value to side as compared to Marsh.

 

[Pratters]

If you look at over 5.5 runs per over (cutting it a bit fine), you will see a stark difference between his great spells and his slightly less useful ones which are carefully interspliced with each other.

Only 5 times in 19 games has he gone for an economy of 6 or above. Over all his economy would be around 4.5 during those 19-20 games as he went for 7 runs per over in 3 of his last 8 games. With an economy of 4.5 and going for 6 an over just 25% of the games, it is a good enough performance.

 

[Nate]

Paine has been a proper opener all his career so far, whereas opening the batting is only something Marsh started doing since the IPL, so its Marsh who really is a makeshift opener.

Yes, Paine has been an opener all his career, good for him. But your next bit is just a lie. Marsh opened the batting often in the Ford Ranger Cup the season before the IPL, indeed he made a century there in the third last match.

 

[Manee]

Only 5 times in 19 games has he gone for an economy of 6 or above. Over all his economy would be around 4.5 during those 19-20 games as he went for 7 runs per over in 3 of his last 8 games. With an economy of 4.5 and going for 6 an over just 25% of the games, it is a good enough performance.

Over 6 an over in 25% of games means he is on and off, I think you'll agree.

Enough! I'm calling an end to this semantic nonsense!

I win, btw.

 

[pup11]

Seriously Mitch deserves to promoted in the batting order, he is batting just too low and his batting capabilities are being pretty much wasted by us.