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[GIMH]

I wanna see it happen just to see some smark tears tbh

Don't think it would ever happen though. Triple H's ways are overplayed sometimes for mine.

 

[sledger]

I wanna see it happen just to see some smark tears tbh

Don't think it would ever happen though. Triple H's ways are overplayed sometimes for mine.

I think they are perhaps these days, but between 03 and 05 he really did pull some stupid stuff. Him refusing to lose to Goldberg, Kane and RVD were several incidents that really got on my nerves. I appreciate that HHH was a "deserving" world champion, but he would not have suffered at all if he had taken a loss to any of them here and there. Similarly, his insistence to do a run of matches with Kevin Nash and take up main event space when neither of them was up to putting on a good match (HHH due to Injury and Nash because he was just arse) really hacked me off, and furthermore, him pretty much forcing the E bookers to remove Benoit vs Kane as teh ME of the Bad Blood PPV in 2004 just because he thought it wouldn't draw big was similarly dire. These days he does seem a lot better, but I think that without a doubt there was a period between these years where he really did take the piss a bit.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, in the evolution days I'd agree, I don't think it's really the case now though. He held the title for two months this year. I know he still appeared in loads and loads of main events, but who on Raw is more over as a face than he is? Cena, and Michaels matches him, and that's it. The IWC may hate Triple H, but booking will always pander to the majority.

 

[masterblaster]

Yeah, in the evolution days I'd agree, I don't think it's really the case now though. He held the title for two months this year. I know he still appeared in loads and loads of main events, but who on Raw is more over as a face than he is? Cena, and Michaels matches him, and that's it. The IWC may hate Triple H, but booking will always pander to the majority.

I think what gets to people is that when was the last time Triple H put anybody young over? Chris Jericho has put over countless people from John Cena in his early days to Batista, to Randy Orton, to CM Punk and even now to Cryme Tyme.

Even Undertaker working with guys like Edge, Randy Orton and Mr Kennedy put them over huge. Watch a Edge or Christian match today and the opponent comes out looking like a superstar after it. Triple H has lost the ability to make his opponent look credible and I think that's what annoys most people.

 

[masterblaster]

Bragging Rights is on tomorrow and I thought I'd do a quick preview:

Smackdown vs Raw Tag Team Match:

The Smackdown team got a complete overhaul and I think the match will be better for it. I'd expect this match to become a complete brawl and I do think that before it starts the ECW General Manager, Tiffany will come out and make this a 7 vs 7 vs 7 tag match with an ECW team. Either way though I think team Smackdown will win otherwise the overhaul would have meant nothing.

World Heavyweight Championship Match - Batista vs CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio vs The Undertaker:

It was smart for WWE to book this as a four way match. CM Punk is WWE's best heel at the moment and I think he needs to become World Heavyweight Champion again however they don't want Undertaker to look weak. The best way forward would be for CM Punk to pin either Mysterio and Batista and this is what I see happening.

WWE Championship Match - Randy Orton vs John Cena:

I see Randy Orton winning this one to send Cena off to Smackdown. I think Cena is Smackdown bound and will face off against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 26.

John Morrison vs The Miz:

Should be a great match here against two great young stars. John Morrison should win though.

Smackdown Divas vs Raw Divas Tag Team Match:

I think the Raw divas will win here.

Enjoy the show guys.

 

[GIMH]

I think what gets to people is that when was the last time Triple H put anybody young over? Chris Jericho has put over countless people from John Cena in his early days to Batista, to Randy Orton, to CM Punk and even now to Cryme Tyme.

Even Undertaker working with guys like Edge, Randy Orton and Mr Kennedy put them over huge. Watch a Edge or Christian match today and the opponent comes out looking like a superstar after it. Triple H has lost the ability to make his opponent look credible and I think that's what annoys most people.

I personally think he and Shawn have made Legacy look amazing this year, before that fair enough I guess.

 

[sledger]

I personally think he and Shawn have made Legacy look amazing this year, before that fair enough I guess.

If I was being really critical I would put that down to HBK more than HHH, HBK is always good at making anyone look awesome, if he wants to, but yeah I would agree with you on the whole.

 

[sledger]

Bragging Rights is on tomorrow and I thought I'd do a quick preview:

Smackdown vs Raw Tag Team Match:

The Smackdown team got a complete overhaul and I think the match will be better for it. I'd expect this match to become a complete brawl and I do think that before it starts the ECW General Manager, Tiffany will come out and make this a 7 vs 7 vs 7 tag match with an ECW team. Either way though I think team Smackdown will win otherwise the overhaul would have meant nothing.

World Heavyweight Championship Match - Batista vs CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio vs The Undertaker:

It was smart for WWE to book this as a four way match. CM Punk is WWE's best heel at the moment and I think he needs to become World Heavyweight Champion again however they don't want Undertaker to look weak. The best way forward would be for CM Punk to pin either Mysterio and Batista and this is what I see happening.

WWE Championship Match - Randy Orton vs John Cena:

I see Randy Orton winning this one to send Cena off to Smackdown. I think Cena is Smackdown bound and will face off against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 26.

John Morrison vs The Miz:

Should be a great match here against two great young stars. John Morrison should win though.

Smackdown Divas vs Raw Divas Tag Team Match:

I think the Raw divas will win here.

Enjoy the show guys.

I think Smackdown will win the tag team match, probably with Jericho getting the pinfall.

I think Punk will probably get the win by pinning Mysterio, along the way I think we may see some sort of altercation between Mysterio and Batista which will set up a feud between those two.

I think Orton will also beat Cena and send him on over to Smackdown, which will in turn set up an Orton/DiBiase feud that will run for a while.

Morrison should probably get the win over the Miz, though if it's done well I think both guys will come out looking good so in theory the result here will not be all that important.

Again, don't much care for the Diva match.

 

[Retox]

WWE, or America in general.

As a total package or just pure wrestling?

 

[GIMH]

Total package. I don't set too much stall by pure wrestling as that is only one part of being a good pro-wrestler, hence why Benoit was always a class below the likes of Michaels.

 

[sledger]

Total package. I don't set too much stall by pure wrestling as that is only one part of being a good pro-wrestler, hence why Benoit was always a class below the likes of Michaels.

Yeah I'd agree, there are only a select handful of guys who even come close to HBK in the modern era as to how good an allround performer he is. In fact the only guy I can think of who comes close who never achieved his greatest performances whilst not in the WWE is probably Sting, strange thought that.

 

[GIMH]

There are plenty who don't like Michaels of course, including some that I like a lot from this thread, such as duffer IIRC. Some will point to him being a low-drawing champion when he was the top guy in 96-97, although I'll always dispute that and point to the fact that he carried WWf back then in the face of a dominant WCW stacked with midcarders, whereas the F had HBK, Taker, Bret & Foley, Foley wasn't anywhere near as over as he would become a couple of years later either back then.

For me Michaels is one of the reasons I watch wrestling. brilliant in the ring, brilliant on the mic. Plays a great face, plays a great heel. Can entertain, can have you hanging on his every word with emotive promos. Would take sick bumps in his prime (the first HIAC would be revered so much more if Foley hadn't tried to kill himself eight months later) and basically do pretty much anything to put on a good show.

Of course, he had a huge ego and cocaine habit (they do tend to go hand in hand) back in the pre-attitude era, but since his return he has put anyone and everyone over. He's a legend.

 

[sledger]

Yeah, tbh, as we were on the subject of deserving champions. HBK probably tops the list imo for the guy who should have had more world title reigns than he has. The fact that Edge has had nearly double the amount HBK has had in his entire career in the space of 3 years just boggles the mind. I often moan about how Jericho should have had more world titles as well, but when you consider that (iirc) his amount of reigns is pretty much even with HBK it doesn't seem so bad. Ironically the only real time I can begrudge HBK refusing to do the job to someone was in his match at WM19 with Jericho himself, but ah well.

 

[GIMH]

As I understand it, Michaels has basically not held the belt much since his return from injury through his own choice. He'd rather put other people over, and also because of his age and condition works a lighter schedule, and being the champion means doing the full house show circuit etc.

I think Jericho has actually had about two or three reigns more than Michaels, HBK has had four hasn't he?

 

[sledger]

Think Jericho has only held a world championship 3 times iirc.

Edit: few more if you count the WCW title during the invasion I suppose.

 

[GIMH]

WCW title No Mercy 2001
WCW title Vengeance 2001
WWF title Vengeance 2001 (believe that these were classed as two reigns by the E because they were won separately and only when Triple H won them from him did they become classed as one title)
WHC Unforgiven last year

Yeah, you;d be right it would seem, unless I've forgotten one. of course, the Jerichoholic in me will always count the night in April 2000 when he pinned Triple H for the title. Man I jumped around my living room that night.

 

[sledger]

WCW title No Mercy 2001
WCW title Vengeance 2001
WWF title Vengeance 2001 (believe that these were classed as two reigns by the E because they were won separately and only when Triple H won them from him did they become classed as one title)
WHC Unforgiven last year

Yeah, you;d be right it would seem, unless I've forgotten one. of course, the Jerichoholic in me will always count the night in April 2000 when he pinned Triple H for the title. Man I jumped around my living room that night.

He did also lose the WHC to Batista and then win it back a week later, forgot about that one.

But yeah, I will always count that night as one of them. Was probably my favourite RAW moment of 2000 tbh, was so great, is another on of those occasions when I was jumping out of my chair shouting, Jericho WAG.

 

[GIMH]

It was so inevitable when he had to give the title back later in the night, but I just remember from when he pinned him until the decision got reversed thinking, please, please, please still be the champ at the end! Mad, Raw used to be shown on a Friday back then yet in the days of dial-up it was fairly easy to avoid the results all week long.

2000 was a great year for Raw & Smackdown. Triple H was in his prime as was The Rock, and Jericho, Angle and Benoit all got great pushes. It was an exciting time to be watching wrestling, they handled the absence of Stone Cold brilliantly.

 

[sledger]

It was so inevitable when he had to give the title back later in the night, but I just remember from when he pinned him until the decision got reversed thinking, please, please, please still be the champ at the end! Mad, Raw used to be shown on a Friday back then yet in the days of dial-up it was fairly easy to avoid the results all week long.

2000 was a great year for Raw & Smackdown. Triple H was in his prime as was The Rock, and Jericho, Angle and Benoit all got great pushes. It was an exciting time to be watching wrestling, they handled the absence of Stone Cold brilliantly.

Yeah, it's easy to forget that the earlier parts of 2000 were totally devoid of Austin and Undertaker, but the way the shows were put together they really weren't missed. I think a lot of that can be put down to how well Foley did throughout the last few months of his fulltime employment and how well the Radicalz were handled when they showed up.

Haha, I do miss the days when it was easy to miss the results and you'd be so excited at the beginning of each show. It's the one thing I really don't like about the internet actually, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's ruined wrestling or even spoiled it, but it sometimes does take a bit of the magic away, though that's down to my own failure at self-control more than anything else I suppose. Plus the fact that I appreciate the shows in (mainly) different ways to how I did when I was younger.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, when I have Sky Sports I do everything I can to make sure I don't see the results before watching raw or Smackdown tbh so it's still pretty cool, except when some southern **** goes and ruins it for me

Will be avoiding this thread from tomorrow morning until I've seen Bragging Rights. I think the card is really good, the only match I'm not looking forwards to is the women's match.

Haven't got the energy to provide reasons, but here are my predicted winners:

7 V 7 - Team Smackdown
Orton
Punk
Miz
Divas - Team Smackdown