sirdj
State Vice-Captain
Did not see the match but am assuming that this was a SA pitch that did not do much for spinners.
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*Official* Australia in India - ODIs
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Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
If you don't have enough good all-rounders, you're owned. Admit it. The Indians will lose the series and a 7-0 whitewash is likely. The Indians can't even chase a total slightly over 300, and we've seen it twice in a row since their return from the break, and that's despite having seven batsmen. They have more hope of chasing a total between 200 and 250, even with one man down.
Yuvi, Viru, Raina and Kohli are worse than dire with the ball. You don't play a bowler who has an average over 40 consistently. Yet we effectively see one bowling more than ten overs. Such bowling options are not options. If your bowling is so weak, why do you weaken it so much further? Man for man, each Indian bowler is competent, but put together four of them, and an absolutely hopeless part-time bunch, the bowling becomes weak.
If Mishra is 'too poor' with the bat, then there's a management issue. He's an under-rated batsman, and can get useful runs. I don't mean he's Jacques Kallis, but he can be one of a combination of run-scoring bowlers. That's a very useful investment, and with so many flat pitches to play on, they need to explore that. They can invest in Harbhajan, Mishra, Praveen and Zaheer, and look at getting back the Pathans when in form.
Munaf is a no-no in ODIs. He gives away too many runs on the field, can't catch, can't bend, can't slide or throw straight. When your best and safest fielders are so woefully out of form, they're compounding the problem with slackers like him being around. It makes no sense, as he's not that great a bowler to offset his fielding weaknesses, and on flat decks, against set batsmen, he too goes for over six an over.
If it's three seamers, it will have to be Nehra, Kumar and one of Ishant and Tyagi. I don't believe all of Munaf, Ishant, Nehra, RP, Ojha and other bowlers who can't bat, should be in the ODI squad.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Most Indian ODI pitches, especially in smaller and less-played centres, are flat and lifeless.
sirdj
State Vice-Captain
I agree with you here however I don't think the series result will be a 7-0.
They did not have their two of their best ODI batsmen in SA, which they will now. If nothing else they get a pschological boost.
I dont think they are that dire. Sehwag is pretty underrated, probably better than the best spinner that Australia have in their squad. The rest 3 are in the playing 11 anyways and its better that they bowl and give an extra 15 runs away and then India gets to play an extra batsman who may make more than 15 runs.
If Yuvi can get Peterson so many times, he probably can catch some of the Aussies napping too.
He in no good when facing bowlers of the quality of the Aussie line-up.
The India - Aus series is not where Mishra or the rest are to get into batting form. India should play their best batsmen.
Nehra is probably just as bad if not worse in the field. IMO he is a better bowler than Nehra. So for me the choice of the 3rd bowler are Nehra/RP/Praveen.
IMO currently Munaf>Ishant>Nehra>Praveen>the rest. If Tyagi plays against Aus then it might be the end of his ODI career for the next couple of years.
kingkallis
International Coach
It seems Dhoni and Yuvraj might miss the game - gonna totally hate it cause I am going to see the game live and wont like them missing from the game.
Johnners
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's one of the few matches they've managed to do so in. Their inability to go after Nikita Miller is a far more accurate reflection of the past 14 months.
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andyc
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No, no he's not.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
That's not an excuse. The same batsmen whom they missed had let them down in countless other occasions- Gambhir was missing in SL and was a letdown in SA. Yuvi was injured before CT but his weaknesses flared up in SL.
But can they be sustained as full-time bowlers all the time? They can't. Yuvi is still way behind Nathan Hauritz, Watson and even Hopes. He doesn't cut it as a full-fledged spinner. Nor do the rest. Besides, they're in the team for runs, not wickets, and that should be taken into account.
But he can improve, and like I said, he's not Kallis, but an investment. They need to start somewhere.
Things like these don't happen overnight. They need time. That happened even with the Aussie lower-order. Conversely, you need your best batsmen fresh and focussed- not worn-out and confused. The objective is to win matches, not just score runs.
That's a very worrying pecking order, and should be taken with a pinch of salt. On form, Nehra is best. Munaf is, at best, very average and adds little to the team, and the team suffers.
Some Indian players have suffered against Australia and have yet continued to play for India for some time. This series might just make his career, as he can add a lot more to this team. He's in the squad for a reason, on the back of Challenger form, and he should be considered for the XI.
sirdj
State Vice-Captain
Wanna bet?? Lets compare averages for the series after its over.
sirdj
State Vice-Captain
The Indian team looks to be in trouble with Dhoni & Yuvi not sure to play the first game. Probably means Karthik and Kohli will get to play.
IMO
1. If the pitch is not going to assist and spinners are going to go for runs then you might as well have an extra batsman.
2. If its going to assist a lot then definately play 2 spinners.
As it stands he is not in the current squad & I dont see him making it.
The trouble with Munaf is inconsistancy. The problem with Nehra is that unless conditions suit swing he is very hitable. Ishant currently has too many issues to discuss and medium pacers against the Aussies are a no-no.
Not of they are starting their careers. India currently has plenty of medium pace options and RP & Irfan are just waiting to make a comeback. Tyagi has one shot at the most. If he fails, you can add him to the list of Ankola, Kuruvilla, Mohanty and co.
Unless he is faster than Ishant,Nehra or Munaf, I would leave him out.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Ishant and Tyagi are of similar pace, Tyagi a bit quicker. Munaf is slower than both of them.
sirdj
State Vice-Captain
Hmm when I was in India last, Munaf used to bowl around 145-150.
And Ishant was around 146 in the series against Australia here last year.
So is Tyagi bowling at 150 or have Munaf and Ishant dropped their pace?
Shri
Mr. Glass
Do you mean Mishra? He is playing in this series.
Uppercut
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Those stats are for when the team sets 300 or more, so they seriously overstate the difficulty of chasing 300 exactly. You could get stats for when a team is set, say, 290-310.
Even then it's not taking into account the pro-batting shift of the past few years. Depending on conditions, I'd put a match where Australia set India 300 at 50-50.
Athlai
Not Terrible
The stats are for when a team scores 299 or more actually.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Munaf is bowling 115-130. Munaf has improved the consistency of where he pitches the ball, so the pace is not that vital a part of his bowling any more.
Ishant and Tyagi are both bowling 128-140.
