*Official* Australia in India - ODIs

[Jono]

Even bowl-outs? Robin Uthappa suggests not

 

[silentstriker]

Bowl outs are clearly heresy. They don't count.

 

[aussie]

Why? 5-2 is very much a possibility either side of the spectrum. I don't see how you can be so sure that a 7 match ODI series will end 4-3.

A 5-2 margin indicates the idea that one side will dominate totally & i cant see that happening.

I cant see AUS winning 5-2 given the middle-order is so vulnerable to spin threat IND will have in the middle-overs. But AUS have the bowling attack to counter INDs batting powerful batitng (which will be the difference in this ODI series). So i expect a strong cat & mouse battle in every game (unless a raging turning is around) - thats why i say 4-3 either side at best IMO.

 

[Cruxdude]

This series is going to be pretty important for India. If India ends up losing 5-2 or so it is going to punch massive holes in the teams reputation. I don't think it will be that bad though.

Sehwag
Sachin
Gambhir
Dhoni
Yuvraj
Raina
Jadeja
Mishra/ Harbhajan (Will like to see Mishra but most probably Bhajji will play)
Praveen
Ishant
Nehra

This should be a pretty good team for the series.

 

[Pratters]

I don't think 3 pacers will play, Cruxdude. Will be two spinners and two pacers.

 

[Cruxdude]

I don't think 3 pacers will play, Cruxdude. Will be two spinners and two pacers.

Could well be the case. Three spinners including Jadeja in the middle overs would be fun.

 

[sirdj]

I don't think 3 pacers will play, Cruxdude. Will be two spinners and two pacers.

1 Spinner + 3 Pacers

They will bowl Yuvi+Sehwag+Raina+Jadeja+Sachin as the 2nd spinner

 

[Athlai]

Even in today's hard hitting batting, 300 just doesn't get chased down often enough because of the pressure a total of chasing 6 an over for 50 overs brings. 280-290 is chaseable. If a team makes 300, no matter what the opposition, I will back the team making 300 to win (except of Mick Lewis is playing).

(Not counting those Asia,Africa,ICC XI matches)
So Your Team Set 300?

Australia 49 W - 4 L Win : 92%
Bangladesh 3 W - 0 L Win : 100%
England 15 W - 5 L - 1 T Win : 71% (Inc Tie = 76)
India 38 W - 5 L Win : 88%
New Zealand 18 W - 0 L Win : 100%
Pakistan 40 W - 4 L Win : 91%
South Africa 29 W - 3 L Win : 91%
Sri Lanka 25 W - 1 L Win : 96%
West Indies 16 W - 5 L Win : 76%
Zimbabwe 15 W - 2 L Win : 88%
Minnows (Kenya and Netherlands Chiefly) 6 W - 0 L Win: 100%

So You Were Set 300? (Give or take one or two, 2 matches went missing in the process on terms of matches lost)

Australia 3 W - 11 L Win : 21%
Bangladesh 1 W- 25 L Win : 4%
England 2 W - 12 L Win : 14%
India 8 W - 30 L Win : 21%
New Zealand 4 W - 1 T - 21 L Win : 15% (inc. Tie = 19)
Pakistan 4 W - 23 L Win : 15%
South Africa 2 W - 9 L Win : 18%
Sri Lanka 4 W - 33 L Win : 11%
West Indies 1 W - 17 L Win : 6%
Zimbabwe 0 W - 28 L Win : 0%
Minnows (Kenya and Netherlands Chiefly) 1 W - 45 L Win : 2%


Australia and India are historically the two best chasers of 300 in world cricket, followed by NZ and SA. Winning 1 every 5 times they chase, they also tend to lose 1 in every 10.

 

[Arjun]

1 Spinner + 3 Pacers

They will bowl Yuvi+Sehwag+Raina+Jadeja+Sachin as the 2nd spinner

That's an atrociously weak so-called set of spin options. They'd do well not to use that at a time when their bowling is a little weak. On flat pitches, using that would defy logic.

Hang on...Ravi Jadeja as a part-timer? That suggests he won't last long in this team.

Ideally, India would do well with the reverse- run-scoring options among bowlers. Australia have Lee, Mitch, Hauritz and Hopes in addition to proper batsman Watson. India need to get more out of Mishra, Harbhajan, Praveen and (when back) Zaheer. That's a lot more useful on a flat pitch.

 

[Shri]

Jadeja is good enough against non-subcontinental teams to bowl 10 overs in an ODI.

 

[Pratters]

Australia and India are historically the two best chasers of 300 in world cricket, followed by NZ and SA. Winning 1 every 5 times they chase, they also tend to lose 1 in every 10.

Thanks. Does show you are more or less assured if you put 300 on the board but not so much against India and Australia.

 

[Arjun]

Jadeja is good enough against non-subcontinental teams to bowl 10 overs in an ODI.

You can't lump Australia with the other non-subcontinental teams, as they play spin a lot better and hit the ball a lot harder than the others. On a flat pitch, Jadeja can't do much, and against set batsmen looking to hit big, he is a target.

Harbhajan and Mishra together is the best choice.

 

[Johnners]

Series Result: 4-3 Australia
Top Runscorer: Ponting/Yuvraj
Top Wicket-takers: Lee/Bhaji
Misc: Marsh will make his first ODI ton

 

[Shri]

Harbhajan and Mishra together is the best choice.

I was speaking about playing RJ as a specialist 5th bowler tbh. Bhajji, Mishy and RJ.

Edit: The reason has been typed up by Clapo.

 

[Johnners]

You can't lump Australia with the other non-subcontinental teams, as they play spin a lot better and hit the ball a lot harder than the others. On a flat pitch, Jadeja can't do much, and against set batsmen looking to hit big, he is a target.

Harbhajan and Mishra together is the best choice.

Not seen Australia play ODI cricket in the last 14 or so months (apart from at the CT)? Taking runs against even the most modest of spin bowlers has seemingly been an impossible task for almost all of our batsmen. There's been quite a few good starts wasted by the teams inability to even turn the strike over against spinners.

 

[kingkallis]

Johnson want to open in ODI? What the hell? Aussies do have specialist openeres and shouldnt entertain any such thaughts as well..

 

[kingkallis]

(Not counting those Asia,Africa,ICC XI matches)
So Your Team Set 300?

Australia 49 W - 4 L Win : 92%
Bangladesh 3 W - 0 L Win : 100%
England 15 W - 5 L - 1 T Win : 71% (Inc Tie = 76)
India 38 W - 5 L Win : 88%
New Zealand 18 W - 0 L Win : 100%
Pakistan 40 W - 4 L Win : 91%
South Africa 29 W - 3 L Win : 91%
Sri Lanka 25 W - 1 L Win : 96%
West Indies 16 W - 5 L Win : 76%
Zimbabwe 15 W - 2 L Win : 88%
Minnows (Kenya and Netherlands Chiefly) 6 W - 0 L Win: 100%

So You Were Set 300? (Give or take one or two, 2 matches went missing in the process on terms of matches lost)

Australia 3 W - 11 L Win : 21%
Bangladesh 1 W- 25 L Win : 4%
England 2 W - 12 L Win : 14%
India 8 W - 30 L Win : 21%
New Zealand 4 W - 1 T - 21 L Win : 15% (inc. Tie = 19)
Pakistan 4 W - 23 L Win : 15%
South Africa 2 W - 9 L Win : 18%
Sri Lanka 4 W - 33 L Win : 11%
West Indies 1 W - 17 L Win : 6%
Zimbabwe 0 W - 28 L Win : 0%
Minnows (Kenya and Netherlands Chiefly) 1 W - 45 L Win : 2%


Australia and India are historically the two best chasers of 300 in world cricket, followed by NZ and SA. Winning 1 every 5 times they chase, they also tend to lose 1 in every 10.

Thats heck of a great record for Kiwis!

 

[sirdj]

That's an atrociously weak so-called set of spin options. They'd do well not to use that at a time when their bowling is a little weak. On flat pitches, using that would defy logic.

The logic is this, if you dont have enough good all rounders and your bowling is a bit weak you play more batsmen so that you can chase whatever is set.
IMO Mishra is too poor with the bat to include as a bowler. We already have Munaf who is at least 8 runs minus in the field and a zero with the bat. Cant afford someone else who bats as bad or worse than Nehra/Ishant/RP.

Munaf is going to play unless Zaheer comes in.
So pacebowling option is going to be Munaf & Ishant and either Nehra/Praveen/RP

Hang on...Ravi Jadeja as a part-timer? That suggests he won't last long in this team.

Jadeja will play till Yusuf Pathan/Praveen Kumar find batting form.

 

[pasag]

What's India's injury situation?

 

[Arjun]

Not seen Australia play ODI cricket in the last 14 or so months (apart from at the CT)? Taking runs against even the most modest of spin bowlers has seemingly been an impossible task for almost all of our batsmen. There's been quite a few good starts wasted by the teams inability to even turn the strike over against spinners.

They did well against India in that single ODI in the Champions Trophy. They scored well against (top-rated frontline spinners) Bhajji and Mishra, and smashed Raina around.