Ireland For Test Status?

[four_or_six]

What is Ireland's ODI record against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe? I know it's not the longer form of the game, but presuming it's at least 40% wins to Ireland, then they should be given a couple of FC matches against them both to see how they go. And are Ireland going to play Zimbabwe in the intercontinental cup, because that would also be an opportunity for Ireland?

 

[Uppercut]

What is Ireland's ODI record against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe? I know it's not the longer form of the game, but presuming it's at least 40% wins to Ireland, then they should be given a couple of FC matches against them both to see how they go. And are Ireland going to play Zimbabwe in the intercontinental cup, because that would also be an opportunity for Ireland?

They've only played Bangladesh four times in ODIs, winning once in Bridgetown and losing three times in Bangladesh. They've never played a home ODI against them, the closest being their victory in the World T20 at Trent Bridge.

They've played Zimbabwe three times- one tie Kingston, one loss in Nairobi and an abandoned game there four days later.

If people want to gauge where we are in relation to those teams, we kinda need to actually play against them.

 

[four_or_six]

They've only played Bangladesh four times in ODIs, winning once in Bridgetown and losing three times in Bangladesh. They've never played a home ODI against them, the closest being their victory in the World T20 at Trent Bridge.

They've played Zimbabwe three times- one tie Kingston, one loss in Nairobi and an abandoned game there four days later.

If people want to gauge where we are in relation to those teams, we kinda need to actually play against them.

Yep, that would seem to be the way to go. I don't know what Irish government policy is to touring Zim at the moment, but a tour there this winter would seem useful on a cricketing level.

I do think Ireland need to be winning pretty much all the time against other associates too, though. That would be what would really push their case imo - showing that they didn't fit in there. Especially if they could do it with a few of their top players missing, that would show their strength in depth.

 

[Uppercut]

Yep, that would seem to be the way to go. I don't know what Irish government policy is to touring Zim at the moment, but a tour there this winter would seem useful on a cricketing level.

I do think Ireland need to be winning pretty much all the time against other associates too, though. That would be what would really push their case imo - showing that they didn't fit in there. Especially if they could do it with a few of their top players missing, that would show their strength in depth.

We do at the moment, tbh. Haven't lost a four-day game in over five years, completely owned the World Cup Qualifying tournament, qualified ahead of everyone else in the World T20 qualifiers.

We have a (quite severe) weakness on slow, low tracks though. Might come to be a problem in qualifying for the next WT20.

 

[GIMH]

See this is where the old qualifiers argument comes in again. Why should Australia qualify automatically for the world T20 despite not going as far as Ireland in the last one?

 

[andruid]

A qualification written by... "a board room full of old farts". Yup, the game is controlled in the way it's controlled and that's not going to be changing any time soon.

It would be an open and notably more transparent system than now. That is in itself progress. Perhaps even a decoupling of Test status (the right to play proper Tests) from full membership (the right to scoop most of the money the ICC makes) could be in order.

In that England are again showing interest in a player who has something going for him but needs to do far more to convince of his international calibre?

No big news for mine.

More like the possibility of England taking advantage of a dubious loop-hole in international qualifications to nick a player who may or may not be as good as the local produce...again.

The point that Warren Deutrom made was that, while Ireland aren't ready to play tests yet, no one is telling them what they have to do in order to achieve it. That's a key flaw in the system. It still baffles me that Bangladesh got test status and Kenya never did.

What he said...

 

[Richard]

if england started backing their home grown talent rather than pinching it from abroad, they would probably end up with a much better side and give encouragement to young english players to play the game. Every time they pick an irishman over an englishman it does long term damage to both nations.

Even 10 years ago no-one would've turned a hair at it.

Comparing Irishmen playing for England to South Africans playing county cricket is plain ludicrous. England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not, under any circumstances, overseas from each other (though yes, you have to cross sea to get to the Irish mainland from the British mainland).

 

[Richard]

It would be an open and notably more transparent system than now. That is in itself progress. Perhaps even a decoupling of Test status (the right to play proper Tests) from full membership (the right to scoop most of the money the ICC makes) could be in order.

That's actually something I've thought before. I don't think it's remotely likely though, any more than I think the ICC Executive Board is likely to go from "our on-a-whim definitions" to "our specifically stipulated definitions".

More like the possibility of England taking advantage of a dubious loop-hole in international qualifications to nick a player who may or may not be as good as the local produce...again.

As I say, 10 years ago no-one would've turned a hair at an Irish player appearing for England. This whole "nicking players" business is utter nonsense. England and Ireland are local to one-another, the way England and South Africa are eminently not.

 

[Uppercut]

England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not, under any circumstances, overseas from each other (though yes, you have to cross sea to get to the Irish mainland from the British mainland).

As I say, 10 years ago no-one would've turned a hair at an Irish player appearing for England. This whole "nicking players" business is utter nonsense. England and Ireland are local to one-another, the way England and South Africa are eminently not.

Gahhhh such mind-numbing ignorance. I propose that you stop posting on issues relating to Irish cricket altogether.

 

[Richard]

Gahhhh such mind-numbing ignorance.

In what respect?

 

[four_or_six]

We do at the moment, tbh. Haven't lost a four-day game in over five years, completely owned the World Cup Qualifying tournament, qualified ahead of everyone else in the World T20 qualifiers.

We have a (quite severe) weakness on slow, low tracks though. Might come to be a problem in qualifying for the next WT20.

I hope Ireland get through into the T20, performing well in competitions like that will help. Obviously it's difficult for Ireland, they're a small country and cricket isn't a major sport there (as far as I understand).

Personally, I'm all for as many countries playing at a high standard as possible. The issue to be sorted out is that you can't just keep adding teams for tests and not put in some kind of two-tier system. And, of course, how Ireland can keep its players when England can pay them a lot more. Although, of course, Ireland playing more may entice more players to re-discover their Irish routes and do a Nannes.

 

[four_or_six]

In what respect?

Ireland is not overseas from England, perhaps?

 

[Richard]

It is over a sea, but it is not overseas. Overseas implies, essentially, foreign - nowhere in the British (and Irish) Isles is remotely foreign to one another. There is no way I will ever accept someone calling an Irishman "a foreigner", the way, for instance, a Frenchman, Kiwi or Icelander would be.

 

[NUFAN]

It is over a sea, but it is not overseas. Overseas implies, essentially, foreign - nowhere in the British (and Irish) Isles is remotely foreign to one another. There is no way I will ever accept someone calling an Irishman "a foreigner", the way, for instance, a Frenchman, Kiwi or Icelander would be.

:I wouldn't call a New Zealander a foreigner, but when I went to New Zealand, I went for a trip overseas.

 

[four_or_six]

It is over a sea, but it is not overseas. Overseas implies, essentially, foreign - nowhere in the British (and Irish) Isles is remotely foreign to one another. There is no way I will ever accept someone calling an Irishman "a foreigner", the way, for instance, a Frenchman, Kiwi or Icelander would be.

Ireland is a different country, which means that "foreign" is a correct definition, I think. If it was not 'overseas' it wouldn't have its own goverment, own head of state, use a different currency, or require you to show your passport to enter... to name but a few things. "Over a sea but not overseas" sounds more appropriate to be applied to the Isle of Wight.

How is Ireland any different to France in that respect? Of course, in cricketing terms, there is the complication of Northern Ireland playing with Ireland... but I would have thought that's up to the cricket administration in Northern Ireland. Given the huge sensitivities around these issues, I would have thought this was an area where it is most sensible to tread carefully.

 

[Athlai]

Haha no idea what Richard is going on about. In New Zealand you'd be hard pressed to find us calling a Pom a foreigner, and you almost certainly would never see an Aussie being refered too that way.

 

[four_or_six]

Haha no idea what Richard is going on about. In New Zealand you'd be hard pressed to find us calling a Pom a foreigner, and you almost certainly would never see an Aussie being refered too that way.

I don't think you'd be too happy if you had to play in the same cricket team as the Aussies though?

 

[Athlai]

Gahhhh such mind-numbing ignorance. I propose that you stop posting on issues relating to Irish cricket altogether.

Yeah definitely, I have an Irish mother and I reckon she'd go ballistic seeing some of the things Rich has been saying. You know he doesn't mean any harm but it just seems a bit ignorant to all the deeper issues of the situation.

 

[Athlai]

I don't think you'd be too happy if you had to play in the same cricket team as the Aussies though?

Yeah Aussies aren't foreigners but that doesn't mean we want to play cricket with them. Pricks tbh.

 

[four_or_six]

Yeah Aussies aren't foreigners but that doesn't mean we want to play cricket with them. Pricks tbh.

Lol. Love your icon, btw.