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*Official* Group A Discussion - Pakistan, West Indies, Australia, India

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Nah don't agree with Arjun or ret. India has a weak batting line up with the likes of Sehwag, Yuvraj missing, not a weak bowling line up. Pakistan isn't going to make much more than 260. It is questionable whether the batsmen can get those runs. The bowlers would have done a fair job to restrict Pakistan to around 260 when every one was predicting they would get 280-300 or even 300+.
It's fair to add an extra batsman when your batting lineup is missing Sehwag and Yuvraj. But the problem here is that the bowling, even in full strength, is weak. They're clueless when they've got a few things not going their way. In fact, if you weaken your bowling just to strengthen the batting, the bowling may end up failing to the level where even the batting can't rescue them.

As for Pathan, he's no part-timer, he's underperforming.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
If it comes down to NRR which it can in this group, it will hurt Australia that they let Windies fight this hard.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
It's fair to add an extra batsman when your batting lineup is missing Sehwag and Yuvraj. But the problem here is that the bowling, even in full strength, is weak. They're clueless when they've got a few things not going their way. In fact, if you weaken your bowling just to strengthen the batting, the bowling may end up failing to the level where even the batting can't rescue them.

As for Pathan, he's no part-timer, he's underperforming.
How has the bowling failed? The fast bowlers bowled the first 17 overs, gave few runs and picked up 3 wickets. Pathan and Kohli did a good job in containing Pakistan. I don't see what else India could have done. If they had gone in with an extra bowler and given 20 less runs, it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have the batting to get the total any way.

Every one is highly over estimating India's weakness with the ball based on tournaments on flat tracks. Kudos to Dhoni for backing some one like RP and not going by how he performed in the subcontinent.

I believe India have chosen the right team. If they can't win still, I'll say well played Pakistan. As I said, I don't see what India could have done differently to improve their position.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
How has the bowling failed? The fast bowlers bowled the first 17 overs, gave few runs and picked up 3 wickets. Pathan and Kohli did a good job in containing Pakistan. I don't see what else India could have done. If they had gone in with an extra bowler and given 20 less runs, it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have the batting to get the total any way.

Every one is highly over estimating India's weakness with the ball based on tournaments on flat tracks. Kudos to Dhoni for backing some one like RP and not going by how he performed in the subcontinent.

I believe India have chosen the right team. If they can't win still, I'll say well played Pakistan. As I said, I don't see what India could have done differently to improve their position.
There have been just three wickets taken by the frontline bowlers. Since the time the part-timers (or an under-performing Yusuf) came on, a partnership developed and now they're creaming the bowling.

At the end of the innings, if the total is too much for the Indian batsmen to chase, the bowling has failed.
 

ret

International Debutant
Pak is yet to take the batting power play .... the part-timers allowed the game to drift away and also helped settle the batsmen. And now they are finding it easy against the regular bowlers too .... Only way out is to pick some quick wkts
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Yusuf=MVP

He just saves a boundary...

Ishant's performance has been below par. He's bowling below 140k all the time, giving width and can't adjust to bowling first-change or Dhoni's gaping field placings. Time to ring an alarm? I guess things need to be re-arranged- Dhoni isn't getting enough out of him.
 

ret

International Debutant
How has the bowling failed? The fast bowlers bowled the first 17 overs, gave few runs and picked up 3 wickets. Pathan and Kohli did a good job in containing Pakistan. I don't see what else India could have done. If they had gone in with an extra bowler and given 20 less runs, it wouldn't have mattered as they wouldn't have the batting to get the total any way.

Every one is highly over estimating India's weakness with the ball based on tournaments on flat tracks. Kudos to Dhoni for backing some one like RP and not going by how he performed in the subcontinent.

I believe India have chosen the right team. If they can't win still, I'll say well played Pakistan. As I said, I don't see what India could have done differently to improve their position.
They didn't contain Pak but came on at the right time to help Pak batsmen settle down and build a partnership when it was needed
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Dhoni seriously needs to consider bowling his part-timers in the final overs, just so that the main bowlers can stamp out the batting side, or else, at least so that the part-timers know how tough it is in the final overs facing set batsmen.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
@ ret - 38 off 70 balls is containment. If India had picked five bowlers, they would only have six batsmen to depend on. They wouldn't back themselves to chase a total of even 240-250 with that sort of batting.
 

ret

International Debutant
@ ret - 38 off 70 balls is containment. If India had picked five bowlers, they would only have six batsmen to depend on. They wouldn't back themselves to chase a total of even 240-250 with that sort of batting.
:laugh:
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
@ ret - 38 off 70 balls is containment. If India had picked five bowlers, they would only have six batsmen to depend on. They wouldn't back themselves to chase a total of even 240-250 with that sort of batting.
They don't even look like chasing 250 and above, at times, even with seven batsmen.

With an extra proper bowler (Nayar included) in the team, they would have taken a few wickets in the middle. A wicket may be worth over 30 runs, and on such pitches, gold dust. Getting out someone like Yusuf cheaply would be, to make a guess, worth a Yuvraj 50.

Now, 62 of eleven overs is failure to contain.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
India couldn't have done much better really is all I am saying. Selecting an additional bowler wouldn't have done miracles IMO. We will have to agree to disagree.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
India couldn't have done much better really is all I am saying. Selecting an additional bowler wouldn't have done miracles IMO. We will have to agree to disagree.
Getting out Yousuf cheaply would be like a miracle. Their batting isn't particularly strong either.

With Harbhajan gone for 42 in seven, they're now forced to turn to an off-colour Yusuf.
 

ret

International Debutant
I had said in my preview that a team that gets itself in to 200/3 kind of situation would be in a better position to win and Pak is in one now

Indians have to see this as a batting pitch and back themselves to get 1 more than what Pak gets
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Harbhajan Singh bowling poorly is the problem, Arjun, if Yousuf Pathan will bowl more overs, he is bound to prove costly.
 

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