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[masterblaster]

Can you honestly say that the matches of a moden day HHH are any less formulaic though? I for one cannot. Cena's matches might not be the most exciting, but they are usually no worse than most a lot of other guys on the card. I would say only HBK, Jericho and the Undertaker are any great length ahead of him in this regard. Also he is a very gifted mic worker, his promo's are obviously scripted so he can only take minimal blame for their content.

Disagree personally. Edge, Christian, Shelton Benjamin, CM Punk and John Morrison are all better wrestlers than John Cena and consistently put on better matches than him. His whole character and his wrestling style is stale.

But John Cena brings so much more into WWE than any of the other wrestlers do. He has a clean, marketable image, he's a very well liked and respected guy by management, other wrestlers and fans and he's a great company representative so I'm not against WWE having John Cena as the face of their company.

From a creative stand point, it wouldn't hurt having Cena have different opponents, maybe change up his character a little bit and for him to maybe go out there and try new things in the ring.

 

[GIMH]

I've gotta say the one guy on your list there that I would disagree with is Shelton. Have noticed that sledger is a fan as well. Personally I think the guy's a bit crap to be honest, seems to botch a hell of a lot of moves.

 

[masterblaster]

I've gotta say the one guy on your list there that I would disagree with is Shelton. Have noticed that sledger is a fan as well. Personally I think the guy's a bit crap to be honest, seems to botch a hell of a lot of moves.

Shelton's an awesome wrestler. I have noticed though that he does tend to botch moves sometimes. Then again, that didn't seem to stop Jeff Hardy from being a World Heavyweight Champion did it?

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, fair point and I am a big fan of Jeff. To be fair though he usually got the key moments of the match right. Shelton visibly messes up big spots on occasion.

I've not caught ECW in quite a while how has he done over there? Certainly a good idea to put him there and freshen him up IMO.

 

[masterblaster]

Yeah, fair point and I am a big fan of Jeff. To be fair though he usually got the key moments of the match right. Shelton visibly messes up big spots on occasion.

I've not caught ECW in quite a while how has he done over there? Certainly a good idea to put him there and freshen him up IMO.

Shelton's been average on ECW. Motivation seems to be Shelton's big drawback. He's a great wrestler when he's motivated. He's so good that he's on the level of an AJ Styles when it comes to athleticism. But he's hardly motivated and it seems that being on ECW his motivation has slipped even lower.

A lack of motivation and not to mention his awful promo work is what is holding Shelton Benjamin back. Zack Ryder and Paul Burchill are the ones who have been very impressive on ECW. Both of those guys have really stepped up and have had great matches as of late.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah what I have seen of Burchill has been impressive

 

[masterblaster]

Yeah what I have seen of Burchill has been impressive

Too bad he looks too much like Triple H. Now if only Vince McMahon had another daughter, Paul Burchill would be main eventing Wrestlemania's for quite a while.

 

[GIMH]

Maybe the genetic jackhammer has a secret daughter somewhere?

Always good to see English wrestlers doing well

 

[sledger]

I've gotta say the one guy on your list there that I would disagree with is Shelton. Have noticed that sledger is a fan as well. Personally I think the guy's a bit crap to be honest, seems to botch a hell of a lot of moves.

Enough of this! The guy is awesome, watch this match if you don't believe me! I know HBK can carry anyone to a good match, but this was great, Shelton totally held his own.

YouTube - Shawn Michaels And Shelton Benjamin Gold Rush Raw 2005 Part 1

 

[sledger]

Shelton's been average on ECW. Motivation seems to be Shelton's big drawback. He's a great wrestler when he's motivated. He's so good that he's on the level of an AJ Styles when it comes to athleticism. But he's hardly motivated and it seems that being on ECW his motivation has slipped even lower.

A lack of motivation and not to mention his awful promo work is what is holding Shelton Benjamin back. Zack Ryder and Paul Burchill are the ones who have been very impressive on ECW. Both of those guys have really stepped up and have had great matches as of late.

Yeah, agree with all of this, massively frustrating, can't blame him, but it is a shame.

 

[sledger]

Disagree personally. Edge, Christian, Shelton Benjamin, CM Punk and John Morrison are all better wrestlers than John Cena and consistently put on better matches than him. His whole character and his wrestling style is stale.

But John Cena brings so much more into WWE than any of the other wrestlers do. He has a clean, marketable image, he's a very well liked and respected guy by management, other wrestlers and fans and he's a great company representative so I'm not against WWE having John Cena as the face of their company.

From a creative stand point, it wouldn't hurt having Cena have different opponents, maybe change up his character a little bit and for him to maybe go out there and try new things in the ring.

Oh yeah they are without a doubt all better wrestlers, but I wouldn't say there were loads of guys on the roster who were less formulaic in terms of their matches, again, this is a problem with the general WWE product and the booking rather than Cena himself. Cena's matches are not often great, but they are usually perfectly serviceable. 9 times out of 10 I would probably rather watch Cena these day's than HHH. I think the only matches I would really care to see HHH in these days would be in a feud with Punk, The Undertaker or perhaps an extended run against Cena himself. Much as I like and respect HHH (to a point) I haven't really cared about most the majority of his matches since about 2002, with the odd exception here and there.

 

[masterblaster]

Triple H has been poor for the better part of 7 years. He hasn't been the same since he first blew out his quad and he's been worse after he blew out his quad again. To be honest, I don't blame him. He's pretty conservative and not very physical in the ring these days, but back in the day his matches against Stone Cold, Mick Foley and The Rock were truly epic.

He's always been very fundamentally sound but the likes of Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero and Shawn Michaels have always been better wrestlers and have stood out far more than Triple H. I do believe that Mick Foley made Triple H. Without Mick Foley's help, Triple H wouldn't have been a legitimate main eventer like he is today.

 

[sledger]

Triple H has been poor for the better part of 7 years. He hasn't been the same since he first blew out his quad and he's been worse after he blew out his quad again. To be honest, I don't blame him. He's pretty conservative and not very physical in the ring these days, but back in the day his matches against Stone Cold, Mick Foley and The Rock were truly epic.

He's always been very fundamentally sound but the likes of Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero and Shawn Michaels have always been better wrestlers and have stood out far more than Triple H. I do believe that Mick Foley made Triple H. Without Mick Foley's help, Triple H wouldn't have been a legitimate main eventer like he is today.

Yes, I completely agree. The Street fight and Hell in a cell matches between the two were what really gave HHH the jump from the midcard right into the main event for mine, and made him an immediate dominant heel. It pretty much set up HHH for everything that followed. WWE owes a hell of a lot to Foley in my opinion, if I'm asked to think of one really iconic or memorable moment from WWE history since I have been watching, the HIAC vs the Undertaker and The Pedigree on the thumbtacks would probably top the list, Rock facing Hogan and Benoit winning the World title would be the other two. Triple H's matches between 1999 and 2002 were very good, no denying that, and for all the bad things there are to say about him, the guy does bust his ass in the name of putting on a good show. I mean, at Backlash 2000 he was still able to keep up a good match against the Rock despite having badly damaged his arm quite early on, and in the match where he first blew out his quad he still let Jericho put him in the walls of Jericho after sustaining the injury, I respect him for that.

 

[masterblaster]

Yes, I completely agree. The Street fight and Hell in a cell matches between the two were what really gave HHH the jump from the midcard right into the main event for mine, and made him an immediate dominant heel. It pretty much set up HHH for everything that followed. WWE owes a hell of a lot to Foley in my opinion, if I'm asked to think of one really iconic or memorable moment from WWE history since I have been watching, the HIAC vs the Undertaker and The Pedigree on the thumbtacks would probably top the list, Rock facing Hogan and Benoit winning the World title would be the other two. Triple H's matches between 1999 and 2002 were very good, no denying that, and for all the bad things there are to say about him, the guy does bust his ass in the name of putting on a good show. I mean, at Backlash 2000 he was still able to keep up a good match against the Rock despite having badly damaged his arm quite early on, and in the match where he first blew out his quad he still let Jericho put him in the walls of Jericho after sustaining the injury, I respect him for that.

Definitely agree. You have to give credit where credit is due. Triple H may be a politican, he may be power hungry and his skills might be declining, but he really does love the industry and is passionate about it. He's definitely tough and has got a big heart when it comes to performing and giving it his all.

 

[sledger]

Definitely agree. You have to give credit where credit is due. Triple H may be a politican, he may be power hungry and his skills might be declining, but he really does love the industry and is passionate about it. He's definitely tough and has got a big heart when it comes to performing and giving it his all.

Yeah, it's a shame about all the politicking, it really is. Were it not for all that, he would be really revered by pretty much all groups of wrestling fans, and really would go down as a true legend. Though in all probability he will go down as a legend, and obviously will end up in the hall of fame, there will always be a sense of reservation from me, and probably a lot of other people, as if he had done less, in a way he would have done a lot more. To be fair to him though, I don't mind a lot of his so called "burials", the only ones that really linger in the memory for me are the fiasco with Goldberg, and the burial of Kane, think there may have been an occasion when he really ought to have put over RVD as well but didn't. Can't for a second say that I didn't enjoy his run as world champion throughout the Evolution era, but once injured he should have dropped the title rather than run with it and try to conceal his injury, the Elimination chamber match when Goldberg eliminated everyone and then HHH entered last and knocked out Goldberg with one shot was just dreadful. His feud with Scott Steiner was equally dire, and a sheer waste of time, may as well have actually pushed someone with some long term potential rather than a roided up grandpa who was clearly never going to have much longevity.

 

[masterblaster]

TNA No Surrender is on tomorrow and even though nobody on here probably even cares, I thought I'd still do some predictions for this PPV.

TNA Knockouts Championship Match: Cody Deaner vs ODB

TNA, please end this. I hate them both, I don't care who wins.

TNA Knockouts Tag Team Championship Match: The Beautiful People vs Taylor Wilde and Sarita

Why in the world did TNA need a Knockouts Tag Team Championship? Angelina Love, the one who held The Beautiful People together has been released, so I don't see Madison Rayne and Velvet Sky winning here. I'm tipping Taylor Wilde and Sarita to win this.

Eric Young vs Hernandez

I like how TNA have been pushing both of these guys. Eric Yong has followed Chris Jericho and has turned his character around and to his credit has been doing a good job. Hernandez has been really good in his role as an up and coming face. Whoever wins is good for TNA but I have a feeling that Hernandez wins but then gets a beatdown by Eric Young and the World Elite.

Bobby Lashley vs Rhino

Bobby Lashley wins easily here.

TNA Legends Championship Match: Kevin Nash vs Abyss

Since they are building up to a Mick Foley vs Abyss feud, I see Kevin Nash winning here.

TNA X Division Championship Match: Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels

Should be a decent match. Samoa Joe isn't as good as he was a few years ago and Christopher Daniels has been average as of late. It should be decent if given enough time. Samoa Joe to win here.

TNA Tag Team Championship Match: Beer Money vs Team 3D vs The British Invasion vs Booker T and Scott Steiner

This match should be really good as they are all great tag teams. Don't know who's going to win, but my money is on Beer Money to win back the belts.

TNA World Heavyweight Championship Match: Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles vs Matt Morgan vs Sting

Should be a decent match as well. Kurt Angle really needs to take a break and leave wrestling for a while. I've really liked the way TNA have pushed Matt Morgan and he's done a great job as of late. I'd love to see TNA give Matt Morgan or AJ Styles the chance and let them be the TNA World Heavyweight Champion. I'm still predicting Kurt Angle to win the match here.

Should be an okay show.

 

[masterblaster]

Yeah, it's a shame about all the politicking, it really is. Were it not for all that, he would be really revered by pretty much all groups of wrestling fans, and really would go down as a true legend. Though in all probability he will go down as a legend, and obviously will end up in the hall of fame, there will always be a sense of reservation from me, and probably a lot of other people, as if he had done less, in a way he would have done a lot more. To be fair to him though, I don't mind a lot of his so called "burials", the only ones that really linger in the memory for me are the fiasco with Goldberg, and the burial of Kane, think there may have been an occasion when he really ought to have put over RVD as well but didn't. Can't for a second say that I didn't enjoy his run as world champion throughout the Evolution era, but once injured he should have dropped the title rather than run with it and try to conceal his injury, the Elimination chamber match when Goldberg eliminated everyone and then HHH entered last and knocked out Goldberg with one shot was just dreadful. His feud with Scott Steiner was equally dire, and a sheer waste of time, may as well have actually pushed someone with some long term potential rather than a roided up grandpa who was clearly never going to have much longevity.

I think fans really hate what Triple H did with Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho. He really did try very hard apparently to sabotage all of their careers in the WWE, especially Chris Jericho who he thought was a huge threat to his main event status. People just didn't like how they were treated and because they are all such great performers, Triple H gets a hard time from many fans. Plus people will never be able to look past his relationship with Stephanie McMahon.

Triple H's feud with Scott Steiner was so bad it was funny but all of it wasn't Triple H's fault. As for Evolution, I loved the group. It was the only period in time where Randy Orton and Batista were tolerable. Like how Mick Foley made Triple H, Triple H made Batista. I think what Triple H did for Batista is why he's such a huge star today. If it weren't for Triple H, Batista would be a mid carder at best.

 

[sledger]

I think fans really hate what Triple H did with Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho. He really did try very hard apparently to sabotage all of their careers in the WWE, especially Chris Jericho who he thought was a huge threat to his main event status. People just didn't like how they were treated and because they are all such great performers, Triple H gets a hard time from many fans. Plus people will never be able to look past his relationship with Stephanie McMahon.

Triple H's feud with Scott Steiner was so bad it was funny but all of it wasn't Triple H's fault. As for Evolution, I loved the group. It was the only period in time where Randy Orton and Batista were tolerable. Like how Mick Foley made Triple H, Triple H made Batista. I think what Triple H did for Batista is why he's such a huge star today. If it weren't for Triple H, Batista would be a mid carder at best.

Yes I would agree that HHH can be credited with making Batista a star, as to be honest, apart from his feud with the Undertaker, there isn't another feud of Batista's I can look back on and say was particularly good or interesting.

HHH trying to sabotage the career of Jericho I think is something that really really would annoy me were it not for the fact that Jericho still managed to rise to the top, particulary as of late, though it probably should have happened several years earlier. It's ironic that they don't get on, as apart from the horrible Wrestlemania 19 burial, the two tend to have very good matches together, the last man standing match from Fully Loaded 2000 is one that I won't forget. I can however, look past his relationship with Stephanie McMahon, though it has obviously benefited him a great deal, I get the feeling he would have risen to the main event and been a dominant champion regardless, because he was that good, though he obviously would not have had quite so many title reigns etc...

 

[sledger]

TNA No Surrender is on tomorrow and even though nobody on here probably even cares, I thought I'd still do some predictions for this PPV.

TNA Knockouts Championship Match: Cody Deaner vs ODB

TNA, please end this. I hate them both, I don't care who wins.

TNA Knockouts Tag Team Championship Match: The Beautiful People vs Taylor Wilde and Sarita

Why in the world did TNA need a Knockouts Tag Team Championship? Angelina Love, the one who held The Beautiful People together has been released, so I don't see Madison Rayne and Velvet Sky winning here. I'm tipping Taylor Wilde and Sarita to win this.

Eric Young vs Hernandez

I like how TNA have been pushing both of these guys. Eric Yong has followed Chris Jericho and has turned his character around and to his credit has been doing a good job. Hernandez has been really good in his role as an up and coming face. Whoever wins is good for TNA but I have a feeling that Hernandez wins but then gets a beatdown by Eric Young and the World Elite.

Bobby Lashley vs Rhino

Bobby Lashley wins easily here.

TNA Legends Championship Match: Kevin Nash vs Abyss

Since they are building up to a Mick Foley vs Abyss feud, I see Kevin Nash winning here.

TNA X Division Championship Match: Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels

Should be a decent match. Samoa Joe isn't as good as he was a few years ago and Christopher Daniels has been average as of late. It should be decent if given enough time. Samoa Joe to win here.

TNA Tag Team Championship Match: Beer Money vs Team 3D vs The British Invasion vs Booker T and Scott Steiner

This match should be really good as they are all great tag teams. Don't know who's going to win, but my money is on Beer Money to win back the belts.

TNA World Heavyweight Championship Match: Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles vs Matt Morgan vs Sting

Should be a decent match as well. Kurt Angle really needs to take a break and leave wrestling for a while. I've really liked the way TNA have pushed Matt Morgan and he's done a great job as of late. I'd love to see TNA give Matt Morgan or AJ Styles the chance and let them be the TNA World Heavyweight Champion. I'm still predicting Kurt Angle to win the match here.

Should be an okay show.

Though I've been following TNA a fair bit recently, there really isn't a lot on that card that excites me at all.

I would have loved to see Lashley face off against a big name, Rhino is great, I really like the guy, but it's so clear that Lashley is winning it's untrue, they could have at least had him face someone who is a credible upper carder.

As for everything else, Joe vs Daniels ought to be good, but both of these guys have been around the X division for so long, it doesn't really excite me to see them facing off against one another again. Sure, both are good, but this sort of match will mean nothing, neither will get more over from it, everyone knows what they can do, why can we not see Joe or Daniels vs Jay Lethal? Who for some strange reason is not even on the card.

Kevin Nash vs Abyss - snore, don't much care for this either, not interesting in seeing Nash wrestle at all to be honest, again, whoever wins will not benefit from the rub.

The Tag team title match....another load of old guys feuding against each other when they really ought to be putting over younger guys, groan. I don't want to see anyone in this match apart from Booker T, again why could we not see Lethal and Creed vs someone?

Hernandez vs Eric Young, could be the match of the night if booked well, and the only match on the entire card which could really help put someone over more than they already are for mine. If handled well both Young and Hernandez could get a launch pad of sorts from this.

The main event ought to be a reasonable watch. But I've had enough of seeing all these guys in a match with one another. Hope that Matt Morgan wins, just to see something fresh, as that is for mine the best possible outcome from this match. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing AJ, Kurt or Sting walk away with the title, unless a completely fresh challenger appears from somewhere. I would really rather have watched Sting vs Matt Morgan, Morgan seems to be doing a decent job at the moment actually, about time he was given something important to do.

 

[GIMH]

Triple H has been poor for the better part of 7 years. He hasn't been the same since he first blew out his quad and he's been worse after he blew out his quad again. To be honest, I don't blame him. He's pretty conservative and not very physical in the ring these days, but back in the day his matches against Stone Cold, Mick Foley and The Rock were truly epic.

He's always been very fundamentally sound but the likes of Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero and Shawn Michaels have always been better wrestlers and have stood out far more than Triple H. I do believe that Mick Foley made Triple H. Without Mick Foley's help, Triple H wouldn't have been a legitimate main eventer like he is today.

Mick Foley made all the biggest stars of the attitude era, in a way. Okay Austin had exploded already, but who was his first feud as champion (aside from Vince, obviously)? Foley. As much momentum as Austin had, it's easy to **** something like that up if you pit them against the wrong guy. Who was The Rock's first feud as champion with? Foley. And then you can pretty much say the same about Triple H. Foley was the kingmaker, made those guys look a million bucks.