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*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

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Surprised that the non North London Arsenal supporters on here (do we have any?) wanted a Man U win against Spurs. I support Rovers but don’t give two hoots about Burnley because I’m not from Lancashire and don’t live in those two ****holes - I only want Burnley to lose as it means its one less team for Blackburn to worry about. Arsenal Spurs is the same, a local rivalry which doesn’t transcend like a Celtic Rangers.

Can’t be supporting Man U against any side in England or indeed in Europe.
Most Arsenal fans I know are more concerned about staying in the top four than chasing the title, and Spurs this season could be a very real threat. It's pretty reasonable to want them to lose if they feel it's for the good of their own club.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Yeah, true. Can't condone anyone kicking an opposing player in the head.

Can't think of the last time a United player did something like that for comparison's sake. Anything recent I'm forgetting?
The tackle that got Scholes his first yellow on Saturday? Bloke's been launching into legbreakers for a decade and a half.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Not at all the same as kicking someone in the head, although his crap tackling is seriously annoying.
It's the same ball-park, if I might be excused a baseball metaphor in a football thread:a physical assault on the opposing team. Just as likely to injure the unfortunate recipient. There's a tendancy to overlook Scholes's efforts in this area because he's that strangest of oxymorons, a popular ManUre player, but as Keane was candid enough to admit in his autobiography, sometimes such tackles are both deliberate and malicious.
 

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Most Arsenal fans I know are more concerned about staying in the top four than chasing the title, and Spurs this season could be a very real threat. It's pretty reasonable to want them to lose if they feel it's for the good of their own club.
That's understandable but Arsenal fans surely can see through that delusion - typical this is Spurs year (being the 4th best team in the land..) tripe we hear at the start of every season and base their 'dislike' on something less tangible.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
That's understandable but Arsenal fans surely can see through that delusion - typical this is Spurs year (being the 4th best team in the land..) tripe we hear at the start of every season and base their 'dislike' on something less tangible.
As I said tho, everyone hates T*ttenham, it's not just Arsenal fans.

You can pick any number of reasons: the bitterness and misplaced sense of entitlement from the fans, the hilarious mismanagement of the team and the club, the shocking racist and homophobic abuse they still give an ex-player 8 years after he left.
 

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It's the same ball-park, if I might be excused a baseball metaphor in a football thread:a physical assault on the opposing team. Just as likely to injure the unfortunate recipient. There's a tendancy to overlook Scholes's efforts in this area because he's that strangest of oxymorons, a popular ManUre player, but as Keane was candid enough to admit in his autobiography, sometimes such tackles are both deliberate and malicious.
I don't really consider it a physical assault. I've made hundreds of seriously ugly tackles in my time playing football but I've never once attempted to injure or seriously hurt the other player. Well, maybe I tried to soften them up a bit. But I've never once kicked someone in the head when they were on the ground. With Scholes there's generally plenty of benefit-of-doubt you can give him for his sub-standard tackles, as dangerous as they sometimes are.

The RVP incident was just a kick on the head, blatantly deliberate and inexcusable, and I'm trying to think of the last time a United player did something like that. There must have been at least several since the Keano incident but none are coming to mind.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

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This is me not trying to troll, just giving my honest and what you'd consider slightly biased opinion:

It was deliberate. However, I don't believe he was aiming for the head. The way he was reacting to the "tackle" with the motion of his leg was more of a stamp than a kick, and IMO, he was aiming for Van Persie's hand or forearm which was trailing almost directly underneath his head. He just misjudged it as he was well off balance after riding the "tackle" from RVP.

That's just my take in any case. If he was going for the head he'd have actually kicked the head as opposed to stamping down IMO.

It's a shame that Van Persie's tackle won't be punished. Could've been a real Eduardo moment if Ade hadn't had prior knowledge of him coming.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
I don't really consider it a physical assault. I've made hundreds of seriously ugly tackles in my time playing football but I've never once attempted to injure or seriously hurt the other player. Well, maybe I tried to soften them up a bit. But I've never once kicked someone in the head when they were on the ground. With Scholes there's generally plenty of benefit-of-doubt you can give him for his sub-standard tackles, as dangerous as they sometimes are.

The RVP incident was just a kick on the head, blatantly deliberate and inexcusable, and I'm trying to think of the last time a United player did something like that. There must have been at least several since the Keano incident but none are coming to mind.
Well, that's partly a reflection of your own bias, isn't it? Where it concerns one's own team there's a tendency to overlook or excuse. You bent over backwards to defend Rooney's dive against us, but felt no such compulsion to excuse him when he was sent off in the world cup. The main difference is the team he's playing for, surely?
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
As I said tho, everyone hates T*ttenham, it's not just Arsenal fans.

You can pick any number of reasons: the bitterness and misplaced sense of entitlement from the fans, the hilarious mismanagement of the team and the club, the shocking racist and homophobic abuse they still give an ex-player 8 years after he left.
Of course, no ex-Arsenal player ever gets homophobic abuse when he plays against you, *cough*Cashley*cough* :p

This is me not trying to troll
That's no fun, GTFO
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
This is me not trying to troll, just giving my honest and what you'd consider slightly biased opinion:

It was deliberate. However, I don't believe he was aiming for the head. The way he was reacting to the "tackle" with the motion of his leg was more of a stamp than a kick, and IMO, he was aiming for Van Persie's hand or forearm which was trailing almost directly underneath his head. He just misjudged it as he was well off balance after riding the "tackle" from RVP.

That's just my take in any case. If he was going for the head he'd have actually kicked the head as opposed to stamping down IMO.

It's a shame that Van Persie's tackle won't be punished. Could've been a real Eduardo moment if Ade hadn't had prior knowledge of him coming.
Yeah, it's possible. At worst you could say he thought better of kicking RvP in the head halfway thru, because it's not a very meaty connection.

Should still be a straight red for the retaliation tho and if Clattenburg agrees he'll get three games.

Not sure how I feel about the celeb, tbh. As an Arsenal fan I think he's a ****, but not reacting like he had wouldn't have changed my opinion there anyway. Trying to put parochial concerns to one side there's an argument that he was getting a lot of abuse from the fans and responded in kind. If the fans can't take it they shouldn't dish it out. However, he's hardly the first player to get such a hard time (listen to the reception Defoe or Arbuckle get at Upton Park) and most generally console themselves with the millions of quid, the hot and cold running fanny (or arse if that's your bag) and the adulation of the new fans.

Silly boy then & that's not just the Arsenal fan talking, hopefully.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Of course, no ex-Arsenal player ever gets homophobic abuse when he plays against you, *cough*Cashley*cough* :p
Look, if you're just going to come here and point out every instance of my rampant hypocrisy, I might as well not bother posting about football. :p

TBF tho, Cashley's pretty much universally disliked amongst football fans, isn't he? One of those players (Bellamy, Savage, etc).
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Those sorts of celebrations are fairly commonplace at all levels, aside from the fact that he ran so far to do it. I don't really see that that should make a difference, though. I don't think he should be penalised for the celebration.

Regarding the stamp, I'm leaning towards what you said in your last post Brumby, that he thought better of it halfway through, as it is pretty half-arsed. Smitteh's theory pretty viable as well, either would make sense tbh.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Look, if you're just going to come here and point out every instance of my rampant hypocrisy, I might as well not bother posting about football. :p

TBF tho, Cashley's pretty much universally disliked amongst football fans, isn't he? One of those players (Bellamy, Savage, etc).
He is indeed, and it's a shame as he would be appreciated as one of the best players in the world if he wasn't a ****. I love his wife though if it's any consolation.
 

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Well, that's partly a reflection of your own bias, isn't it? Where it concerns one's own team there's a tendency to overlook or excuse. You bent over backwards to defend Rooney's dive against us, but felt no such compulsion to excuse him when he was sent off in the world cup. The main difference is the team he's playing for, surely?
It could be bias, because no one's immune to it, but I don't think so. I didn't see it any differently when a player like Paul Ince made a trademark rash tackle, and he's pretty much bottom of the pile in the Manyoo-fans bias list.

If anything the bias just spawns of what I do or don't do myself. Do I sometimes fall over a split-second before being touched when someone throws themselves in front of me while I'm running full-speed? Sure do. Do I make rash challenges in the manner of Paul Scholes? At least three times a game.

Have I ever kicked a player in the head? Even allowing for the theories on his guilt- I agree with you that him thinking better of it halfway through seems very plausible- absolutely not. I've never went out to injure a particular player, so Keano's attack on Haaland isn't excusable. And with regards to Rooney's WC sending-off, for all the messy scraps for the ball I've been in, I fail to believe he could have accidentally stamped on Carvalho's nuts- it just doesn't happen. Not for me anyway.

Using the same standard, I despise players who get sent off for violent conduct. Never feel the urge to hit someone, no matter how much they've pissed me off, and I get seriously annoyed when team-mates do it. Incredibly pathetic.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Damn, was hoping to get lucky this morning to see if any tickets for the Derby next week is available but all the tickets are already sold out to the "member fans". That system although fair can be very frustrating at times.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
This is me not trying to troll, just giving my honest and what you'd consider slightly biased opinion:

It was deliberate. However, I don't believe he was aiming for the head. The way he was reacting to the "tackle" with the motion of his leg was more of a stamp than a kick, and IMO, he was aiming for Van Persie's hand or forearm which was trailing almost directly underneath his head. He just misjudged it as he was well off balance after riding the "tackle" from RVP.

That's just my take in any case. If he was going for the head he'd have actually kicked the head as opposed to stamping down IMO.

It's a shame that Van Persie's tackle won't be punished. Could've been a real Eduardo moment if Ade hadn't had prior knowledge of him coming.
I think whether he intended to go for the head or any other part of the body is irrelevant as long as it was an intentional stamp to be honest. For mine, the recklessness of his actions were enough to substitute the intent, as with if this had happened out of a sporting context. I mean, it's not the best example, but the same principles ought to apply as if you went out with a gun, meant to shoot them in the arm, but accidentily shot them in the head and killed them, "sorry I was aiming for his arm" would not erase the offence, neither should it here.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Damn, was hoping to get lucky this morning to see if any tickets for the Derby next week is available but all the tickets are already sold out to the "member fans". That system although fair can be very frustrating at times.
I don't think the system is particularly fair to be honest. All it means is that people who give the club money as part of a yearly subscription fee means they get priority for tickets over those who would rather not pay up. Esspecially when there are so many seats taken up by corporate events, which should be allocated to the real fans rather than those who piss off to sip champers and cucumber sandwiches during half time and don't actually give a crap about the match itself.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
I think whether he intended to go for the head or any other part of the body is irrelevant as long as it was an intentional stamp to be honest. For mine, the recklessness of his actions were enough to substitute the intent, as with if this had happened out of a sporting context. I mean, it's not the best example, but the same principles ought to apply as if you went out with a gun, meant to shoot them in the arm, but accidentily shot them in the head and killed them, "sorry I was aiming for his arm" would not erase the offence, neither should it here.
Point to where I said punishment should be different?

Oh yeah, that's right, I didn't.
 

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