****OFFICIAL**** Lara vs Tendulkar Debate Thread

[honestbharani]

I am sorry. It was Ponting who cribbed.

Ponting points finger at 'selfish' Lara | Australia Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

As to the Tendulkar story, there is a small bit of correction, Tendulkar came in the 43rd innings of Indian innings, and stayed till the end, ie 187th over. So total of 144 overs which roughly translates to 5 sessions of batting.

In contrast, Lara came in 14th over and stayed till (my god!) 202nd over, thus about 7 sessions.

still... Sachin came in with a better start, against IMO a worse attack with everything to play for and was still scoring slower than Lara and yet batted on???????

 

[Pigeon]

I purposely left out his stats vs WI because

a. he only faced a full wi attack in one series (granted he did very good averagin 55 not awesome
b. Lara never faced his own attack so its just a guessin game how he'd have done vs Amby and co. (do u know for sure Tendy would have done well vs his own attack??)

Tendulkar has done well against his own attack in domestic games. Lara's game was always iffy against genuine pace, and hence itis debatable how he'd hae performed against Walsh and Ambrose.

 

[Pratters]

Tendulkar has done well against his own attack in domestic games. Lara's game was always iffy against genuine pace, and hence itis debatable how he'd hae performed against Walsh and Ambrose.

WTF?

z

 

[aussie]

By that accord, Lara's ventures versus Murali should be discredited as Murali had no McGrath to back him. Fact is Tendulkar owned Warne and Warne has himself acknowledged that he was outplayed.

Am Murali had his partner Vaas who was equally devastating during that series.

Indian boundaries in general are short compared to Australian boundaries. It is advantageous to have longer boundaries as a leg spinner as batsmen can't hit you over the top.

Yea, but Warne had that advantage in Chennai/Bangalore at least in 98 & overall in his 10 tests in IND.

 

[Pigeon]

still... Sachin came in with a better start, against IMO a worse attack with everything to play for and was still scoring slower than Lara and yet batted on???????

What are you talking about?

The pitches they batted on were significantly better.

Secondly, Tendulkar was not the captain, so it was not he who decided to bat on and on.

 

[honestbharani]

What is his record against the two greatest fast bowlers of his time Walsh and Ambrose?

There was 1 home series of 3 tests and 1 away series of 5 tests... I never checked the stats fully but off memory, I recall he failed at Mohali when Walsh ripped through us on the one track that had some pace and bounce in it. We had a lot of flat tracks in the Windies during that 5 test series and most batsmen filled their boots.. Sidhu got a double century FFS and Dravid was great throughout the series.

 

[Pigeon]

WTF?

z

He was. That is acknowledged by many that Lara was a better player of spin than fast bowling.

 

[Pigeon]

There was 1 home series of 3 tests and 1 away series of 5 tests... I never checked the stats fully but off memory, I recall he failed at Mohali when Walsh ripped through us on the one track that had some pace and bounce in it. We had a lot of flat tracks in the Windies during that 5 test series and most batsmen filled their boots.. Sidhu got a double century FFS and Dravid was great throughout the series.

Ok I got it

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...er_involve=1884;template=results;type=batting

Tendulkar averages 63 in 8 tests against Ambrose and Walsh.

 

[honestbharani]

Tendulkar has done well against his own attack in domestic games. Lara's game was always iffy against genuine pace, and hence itis debatable how he'd hae performed against Walsh and Ambrose.

u have proof of Lara's stats in domestic games or you just saying stuff as usual?


FTR, there was an innings of 189 or something of Lara against Antigua with Ambrose and a couple of other good bowlers when no one else managed more than 50 or something.. REad up on it in a cricinfo magazine (the print one) waaaay back...

 

[Pratters]

He was. That is acknowledged by many that Lara was a better player of spin than fast bowling.

Lara was as good against fast bowling as any other player. If you say Lara was iffy against fast bowling, would you say Ponting, Dravid are better against fast bowling than Lara? I certainly won't say that.

 

[Athlai]

Precam this debate is probablly not a good idea, draws attention and all that jazz. So I'd give it a rest.

 

[honestbharani]

still... Sachin came in with a better start, against IMO a worse attack with everything to play for and was still scoring slower than Lara and yet batted on???????

meant he batted much slower than the game demanded him to and yet he is afforded the luxury of batting on and on and Lara is not?

 

[Pigeon]

u have proof of Lara's stats in domestic games or you just saying stuff as usual?


FTR, there was an innings of 189 or something of Lara against Antigua with Ambrose and a couple of other good bowlers when no one else managed more than 50 or something.. REad up on it in a cricinfo magazine (the print one) waaaay back...

I;ll need time to check Cricket Archive for that.

 

[honestbharani]

He was. That is acknowledged by many that Lara was a better player of spin than fast bowling.

Just because he was almost supreme against spin doesn't mean he is "iffy" against pace... You are just taking this to ridiculous levels now.

 

[honestbharani]

I;ll need time to check Cricket Archive for that.

wud probably be a good idea if u read those first before u post as if Lara did nothing in FC cricket while Sachin has...


BTW, excepting Kumble, we haven't had a "great" bowler throughout Sachin's career...

 

[aussie]

u have proof of Lara's stats in domestic games or you just saying stuff as usual?


FTR, there was an innings of 189 or something of Lara against Antigua with Ambrose and a couple of other good bowlers when no one else managed more than 50 or something.. REad up on it in a cricinfo magazine (the print one) waaaay back...

Yea i remember reading it. It scored it somewhere between 90-93 i believe.

 

[Pigeon]

meant he batted much slower than the game demanded him to and yet he is afforded the luxury of batting on and on and Lara is not?

He did not bat slower than required. (How'd you prove such a thing? ). Also note I am of the opinion that India's innings was stretched by atleast 15-20 overs due to the delayed declaration. In hindishgt Tendulkar should not have gone beyond 180 or max 200 in any case. Blame the captain for that, not Tendulkar.

 

[Pigeon]

Just because he was almost supreme against spin doesn't mean he is "iffy" against pace... You are just taking this to ridiculous levels now.

He was not supreme against raw pace. His poor record overseas against quality bowling attacks is proof of that.

He is a very good player of spin, just a good player of fast bowling.

 

[Pigeon]

wud probably be a good idea if u read those first before u post as if Lara did nothing in FC cricket while Sachin has...


BTW, excepting Kumble, we haven't had a "great" bowler throughout Sachin's career...

And yet Lara's record against India is patchy.

 

[honestbharani]

Yea i remember reading it. It scored it somewhere between 90-93 i believe.

89 as a matter of fact..