BCCI rejects 'whereabouts' testing

[Richard]

Yes, that is the only fair solution. It looks as though the whole thing will fall down now. Oh well, that's one cast-iron way of making sure cricket doesn't end up in the Olympics or the Asian Games!

Personally am rather more interested in cricket's own prospects than in the chances of it being in some Games TBH. It'd never be three\four\five-day games in said competitions anyway.

 

[four_or_six]

Personally am rather more interested in cricket's own prospects than in the chances of it being in some Games TBH. It'd never be three\four\five-day games in said competitions anyway.

True, indeed. Though it's interesting to see everything that this WADA issue affects. For example, the article on cricinfo says that in England, govermental funding for grass-roots cricket requires the ECB to WADA-compliant. (Presumably this is true for all sports over here.)

 

[Top_Cat]

Because they then just won't take the drug?

Elevated levels of exogenous rhEPO are able to be accurately measured (indirectly) in the blood up to two days after you stop taking it. It's detectable up until around two weeks after. Even if you take a Kg of diuretics before testing, you won't piss it out quick enough to be undetectable.

 

[four_or_six]

Elevated levels of exogenous rhEPO are able to be accurately measured (indirectly) in the blood up to two days after you stop taking it. It's detectable up until around two weeks after. Even if you take a Kg of diuretics before testing, you won't piss it out quick enough to be undetectable.

Surely there are designer steroids that break down within 24h? I mean, you can design pharmaceutical drugs that do so, so I would have thought they could do the same here.

 

[Pigeon]

Begs the question why in that case the cricketer should take the drug then in off season, if it breaks down in 24 days.

My suggestion would be mandatory testing ahead and in between matches. But meh to off season "whereabouts" testing.

 

[silentstriker]

Surely there are designer steroids that break down within 24h? I mean, you can design pharmaceutical drugs that do so, so I would have thought they could do the same here.

Not if you actually want steroids to do anything. 24h is too little a time.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Begs the question why in that case the cricketer should take the drug then in off season, if it breaks down in 24 days.

My suggestion would be mandatory testing ahead and in between matches. But meh to off season "whereabouts" testing.

Because the benefits last more than 24 days?

It's just the detectability of the substance that erodes.

 

[Pigeon]

Because the benefits last more than 24 days?

It's just the detectability of the substance that erodes.

How long exactly?

 

[shivfan]

I think it's important to stress that though the Indian cricketers have been most vocal in expressing their resistance to this 'whereabouts' clause, they have support from cricketers around the world. It's not just a case of BCCI vs WADA.

What are the implications of not adhering to WADA's unconditional terms?

1) Forget about getting cricket into the Asian Games, the Commonwealth Games, and even the Olympics.

2) What is the ICC going to do to properly combat the use of PEDs? The cases of Shoaib Akhtar and Mo Asif were poorly handled. If WADA had been in charge, they would not have got off.

 

[shivfan]

Well Done BCCI. One of the few things they have done right.Just because others have done it doesn't make it right.

On Cricinfo :- "WADA - an entity composed of people who can't play sports committed to making life miserable for those who can. It's about time athletes stood up to WADA's increasingly excessive and dubiously effective policies."

and "...The recently updated whereabout clause of WADA violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights. The same way it violate the Indian Penal Code Article 21 of constitution about individual privacy...."

Is that true ?

In Belgium, I think, an athlete is challenging WADA's 'whereabouts' clause in the European Court, so we'll soon find out....

Personally, I hope WADA's stringent policy is not rolled back, because they've done a lot to help clean up sports like athletics and swimming. If cricket authorities and cricketers don't want to comply, like FIFA they can go their separate ways, IMHO.

 

[Streetwise]

I think it's important to stress that though the Indian cricketers have been most vocal in expressing their resistance to this 'whereabouts' clause, they have support from cricketers around the world. It's not just a case of BCCI vs WADA.

What are the implications of not adhering to WADA's unconditional terms?

1) Forget about getting cricket into the Asian Games, the Commonwealth Games, and even the Olympics.

2) What is the ICC going to do to properly combat the use of PEDs? The cases of Shoaib Akhtar and Mo Asif were poorly handled. If WADA had been in charge, they would not have got off.

Another implication is that some countries require sporting bodies to adopt WADA to secure funding, I believe this is the case in Aust and Eng.

 

[Steulen]

The whereabouts clause has caused a stir in almost every sport, but since speaking out against it is nearly equal to testing positive in the eyes of WADA and sections of the media, almost all sportspeople have learned to shut up about it. I am really curious what the outcome of the case at the Strasbourg Human Rights Court will be. I actually think they will rule in favour of the athlete, but you never know.

As some others have said, this will have consequences that go further than just Indian cricket. WADA is very influential, and this snub could result in the ICC being removed from the IOC, which in turn leads to reduced government funding etc. etc.

This only shows how big an underachiever India is in any other sport than cricket, being clueless about how international Olympian sport works in this era.

 

[Top_Cat]

Surely there are designer steroids that break down within 24h? I mean, you can design pharmaceutical drugs that do so, so I would have thought they could do the same here.

RhEPO only lasts in the blood a few hours after you stop taking it. It's the metabolites of the induced erythropoiesis caused by the exogenous EPO which take days to disappear and are what the tests look shoot for.

 

[Uppercut]

The whereabouts clause has caused a stir in almost every sport, but since speaking out against it is nearly equal to testing positive in the eyes of WADA and sections of the media, almost all sportspeople have learned to shut up about it. I am really curious what the outcome of the case at the Strasbourg Human Rights Court will be. I actually think they will rule in favour of the athlete, but you never know.

As some others have said, this will have consequences that go further than just Indian cricket. WADA is very influential, and this snub could result in the ICC being removed from the IOC, which in turn leads to reduced government funding etc. etc.

This only shows how big an underachiever India is in any other sport than cricket, being clueless about how international Olympian sport works in this era.

None of this makes it acceptable to force people to either tell a complete stranger where they are every day or find a new job. The BCCI isn't being naive like you suggest, it's just the only sporting body with the balls to stand up against an obvious infringement on people's privacy.

 

[four_or_six]

None of this makes it acceptable to force people to either tell a complete stranger where they are every day or find a new job. The BCCI isn't being naive like you suggest, it's just the only sporting body with the balls to stand up against an obvious infringement on people's privacy.

But you do have to work out a way of being able to test athletes any day of the year without prior warning. Unfortunately, however innocent these current sportsmen and women are, previously people have cheated in the off-season, and that's something I think we don't want to happen any more.

 

[Steulen]

None of this makes it acceptable to force people to either tell a complete stranger where they are every day or find a new job. The BCCI isn't being naive like you suggest, it's just the only sporting body with the balls to stand up against an obvious infringement on people's privacy.

Oh, I agree that WADA gets away with murder. However, I don't agree that the BCCI is showing balls, it's showing incredible naivety / lack of feeling for the current climate in world sport / blind arrogance. Take your pick.

 

[brockley]

C'mon who is the drug cheat
Which indian player gets injured a lot

 

[Pigeon]

C'mon who is the drug cheat
Which indian player gets injured a lot

Shane Warne? to the first question?

 

[silentstriker]

But you do have to work out a way of being able to test athletes any day of the year without prior warning. Unfortunately, however innocent these current sportsmen and women are, previously people have cheated in the off-season, and that's something I think we don't want to happen any more.

This guilty until proven innocent crap is unnecessary and does more harm to the image of sports than actual steroids.

Oh, I agree that WADA gets away with murder. However, I don't agree that the BCCI is showing balls, it's showing incredible naivety / lack of feeling for the current climate in world sport / blind arrogance. Take your pick.

How so? It would be naive if they end up not being able to get away with it. We'll see what happens.

 

[sirdj]

I just think they are drama queens, The BCCI know where the players are all the time and I think that is a bigger security risk than WADA.

The BCCI don't know where the players are at any given point of time when they are not on a tour.

Are you fabricating information now to suit your argument?

Do you think you can just ring up WADA and ask where a sportsman is?. A little bit of common sense should prevail here its not like WADA are going to broadcast the whereabouts of players is it now

The security issue is just one of the many arguments given, and by that I don't mean it is not a valid one.
How does one update WADA with a change in schedule? Do you log in via a VPN to a secure website and update your info? Do you call from a secured telephone line or do you call from a public phone booth to ensure that you are not being bugged?
You are either ignorant or pretending to be ignorant. So cricketers have Z grade security...which is like presidential security. Ask your Prime Minister to give out his whereabouts for the next 6 months and you will get your answer.