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Flintoff's bizzare anti immigration rant

scorpiogal

U19 Debutant
There's nothing wrong with his views on rap music tbh. Oprah Winfrey has those same views about gangster rap, particularly songs that marginalise women.

I hate rap and it's just because I don't like it. Plain and simple.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
No you're way off.

It goes like this, rappers see things on tv, tv directors watch movies, movie directors draw sources from old stories, old storytellers were inspired art and art was inspired by religion

RELIGION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL GANGSTAAS
 

scorpiogal

U19 Debutant
I'm hardly an avid rap listener, but to contribute violence in society to rap is naive.
Tell that to the Police Officers here in Trinidad whose lives were threatened through a rap song/video on Youtube.

A group(gang) of young men ranging in ages between 14 - 20 rapping about shooting certain high-ranking officers and actually firing guns in the 'music' video.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Yes rap made them do it. Heck it being youtubes fault is more feasable as its what gave them the publics attention.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Tell that to the Police Officers here in Trinidad whose lives were threatened through a rap song/video on Youtube.

A group(gang) of young men ranging in ages between 14 - 20 rapping about shooting certain high-ranking officers and actually firing guns in the 'music' video.
Yep, that explains all street violence in the modern world.

You're being silly.
 

scorpiogal

U19 Debutant
Yes rap made them do it. Heck it being youtubes fault is more feasable as its what gave them the publics attention.

Really? You think it doesn't even create a particular mindset?

Then you haven't heard hard-core rap/dancehall. Can someone convince me that songs openly condemning homosexuality, shooting/killing homosexuals etc. can't influence young people in some way?
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Really? You think it doesn't even create a particular mindset?

Then you haven't heard hard-core rap/dancehall. Can someone convince me that songs openly condemning homosexuality, shooting/killing homosexuals etc. can't influence young people in some way?
That's two different things.

You can say its a bad influence, you can't claim its the cause of street violence.

The movie Scarface is hardly a 'good influence' on young people is it? But its not the cause of violence on the streets!
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Yea, well, little kids in the ghettos have so many opportunities and role models, but then the evil rap music comes in, and next thing you know, they're selling crack and shooting up corners.

Ofcourse It is the fault of the Newspaper for reporting it, Freddie can do no wrong for you.

Thoughts of Lord Freddie - Sport - theage.com.au

"When you go to somewhere like India you realise we're not in that bad a shape. We have a tendency in Britain to talk ourselves down. I wouldn't want to be American, but you have to admire the way they talk themselves up as a people, athletes and as a country. Our glass is always half empty."

What's wrong with that? To be completely frank, there is a reason people in India move to England and America, and rarely the other way around. India as a nation has a lot of problems, and I wouldn't want America or the UK to become like India. Let's not be so sensitive here.

In any case, there is nothing that Freddie said that I have any problems with. Even the rap music business - that's just naive but hardly malicious. And yes, if you work in the service industry in the UK, you should speak English. This is not remotely similar to working for the Chennai Superkings as a player. And in addition, there are plenty of people in India these days whose primary language is English.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Really? You think it doesn't even create a particular mindset?

Then you haven't heard hard-core rap/dancehall. Can someone convince me that songs openly condemning homosexuality, shooting/killing homosexuals etc. can't influence young people in some way?
It doesn't create a mind set anymore than an item of clothing does. They twist it and turn it into a badge they wear, it doesn't create them.
 

Cruxdude

International Debutant
What's wrong with that? To be completely frank, there is a reason people in India move to England and America, and rarely the other way around. India as a nation has a lot of problems, and I wouldn't want America or the UK to become like India. Let's not be so sensitive here.
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Yeah India has troubles, but one must remember the history behind it when considering its troubles. With regards to violence among children you might want England and US to become more like India.

India is improving a lot but the biggest problem with it is people like me, who go abroad for education and do not come back. I hope to come back one day after getting enough money to pay back my loans.

Such condescending statements from people who rely on India for making their millions is hurtful.
 

scorpiogal

U19 Debutant
That's two different things.

You can say its a bad influence, you can't claim its the cause of street violence.
I never said it causes street violence. I'm not sure that's what Flintoff was implying but here in Trini, you will never find a young gangster listening to Nickelback :laugh: I do think some of them associate rap/dancehall with violence and we're not talking about mickey mouse rap like Eminem, Jay-Z etc.

The movie Scarface is hardly a 'good influence' on young people is it? But its not the cause of violence on the streets!
Ever seen MTV cribs? I can't tell you how many rappers featured on that show had Scarface posters in their house. But then again, that could just be a stupid trend and is pretty ridiculous. :laugh:
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Ever seen MTV cribs? I can't tell you how many rappers featured on that show had Scarface posters in their house. But then again, that could just be a stupid trend and is pretty ridiculous. :laugh:
No I don't watch MTV Cribs, but yes I am aware that many rappers have used Scarface as an influence. That's why I specifically mentioned that movie, and not 300 or Kill Bill.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
stupid comment there.. I don't have him on ignore and I know plenty who don't as well.. I have seen them replying to him and quoting him.


Very much unlike you, GIMH...
Well obviously I was exaggerating,just get a little wound up that every time there is a thread like this he pops up with something inflammatory
 

rivera213

U19 Vice-Captain
Without wishing to become too deeply embroiled in a political debate, David Cameron's pithy description of UKIP supporters in 2006 did hit the nail on the head: "a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists, mostly."
And of course, politicians don't lie. Lol


1. Because it could inspire people to vote for the racist mob.

2. Don't tell me you're a UKIP supporter...
1- I doubt 1 comment would inspire someone to become a racist arsehole and support the BNP. Their supporters aren't regular people and I can't see many people deciding whether to vote for 1 party or the BNP. There's a big following of the BNP and NF here and their voters are staunch. I can't see many swing votes going to the BNP personally.

2- Not at all, I just don't think that they should be lumped in with BNP even if their party is as pointless.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm hardly an avid rap listener, but to contribute violence in society to rap is naive.
To say rap music has a high proportion of blame for violence in Britain is obviously fairly stupid, but there's no doubt that those who rap\sing glorifying crime aren't exactly helping matters. However, it's a two-way thing; they've been brought-up with those values, so they help pass them on - and rap is one of the means. If rapping about crime being good could somehow be banned, it wouldn't solve very many problems, because other means would merely be found to pass-on the deplorable message, but if you could intervene in the societies that have such problems, you'd cause a decrease in the amount of rap which glorifies crime - purely because those putting the message about wouldn't get the message ITFP to put about.
 

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