IPL criticisms

[silentstriker]

Just wondering, how would you focus it more towards the Indian fanbase?

I think that the large amount of foreign players in the squad is a necessary evil while there isn't a window for the IPL. They need that extra back-up in case that a squad is decimated by a tour that takes away a few of its best players.

Well, for one, I don't think they should have ever had it in South Africa. As for the squad, the problem comes from being too focused on the foreign players in the squad. Considering all the coaches are usually foreign, as well as the support staff, I don't think it provides a good enough learning enviornment - which is the only reason I give a crap.

I'm hoping the professionalism, coaching, and resources that are lacking in Indian FC cricket can be brought in this way. If it doesn't do that, then it's just another non-Test BS fest for me. That was one of its stated goals, and while I don't actually believe it, I'm hoping that's what it will be used for.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well, for one, I don't think they should have ever had it in South Africa.

OK, obviously there were extenuating circumstances. Do you think that they should have just gone ahead with it during the elections, or not had it at all?

And I would have thought that you, someone who values performances by India away so highly, would have been able to see the positives out of taking the players over to South Africa to play on a different style of pitch, and ensure that they understand what the differences are at a younger age, rather than having another SS Das or Ramesh, who gets found out as soon as the ball comes through over hip height.

As for the squad, the problem comes from being too focused on the foreign players in the squad. Considering all the coaches are usually foreign, as well as the support staff, I don't think it provides a good enough learning enviornment - which is the only reason I give a crap.

So you'd rather not pick the best coaches from around the world to control the sides, but have 8 Indian coaches because you think that is what is going to provide them with the best learning environment?

You really think that coaches are going to focus on their top 4 or 5 players? Their priority would be ensuring that the bottom four players of each side contribute, knowing that the top players can most likely look after themselves. Same as pretty much every sporting side going around.

I'm hoping the professionalism, coaching, and resources that are lacking in Indian FC cricket can be brought in this way. If it doesn't do that, then it's just another non-Test BS fest for me. That was one of its stated goals, and while I don't actually believe it, I'm hoping that's what it will be used for.

Think you've got it all muddled then. Surely the exposure to the resources and coaches, and the professionalism of players from other countries, sets a standard that the Indian players should be striving to maintain when they go back to the FC competition.

 

[aussie]

Again, you can't just make stuff up - what ultimatum?

Haa, are you ok SS?. I just gave the reason, or is it you are denying the existance of the 4-international player restriction?

 

[aussie]

Most stuff is being repeated so will cut it in sort - just because a few cricketers from your country play in the IPL, it does not give you a stake in it. You have the option of watching them in your domestic, international or whatever cricket

Well as a die-hard cricket fan, i follow everything - no personal bias. ATM along with many (not neccessarily here on CW), I am concerend about the lack of general control, the ICC has had over the general T20 outbreak since the T20 WC in SA.

Player burnout could be an issue but it's the Indian internationals who suffer the most. Indians don't seem to mind that so I see little point in someone complaining esp when the player of other country has the option of skipping it! I can understand your concern for their burnout but they are mature individuals capable of knowing what's best for them

Come on mayn. You seriously tell me those Indian players aren't feeling seriously fatigued?. Get real B, the fact is they can't do nothing about it.

I remember Dhoni making this comment about player fatigue last winter when England toured.

But recently as India enter the T20WC clearly fatigued after the IPL endeavours, retracted those claims quite eruditely. But one can read through the lines there pretty easily...

The assumption that with more international players both Indians as well as non-Indians will be able to enjoy IPL equally is a fallacy. I have already explained that in one of my posts ....

Plus other players world-wide have the same issue. The argument before the IPL & all these crazy T20 tournaments by players was they might retire early because of the jam-packed schedule. But now they can just retire into T20 play for 3hrs, that EXTREMELY dangerous for the future of the game & test cricket.

The timely Twenty20 vs Country article on cricinfo, further vindicates my argumets alllllll along here.

But with more teams likely to be added in future, the quality Indian players will be spread over more teams so more 'quality' international players would not be a bad idea. That should only be done if they don't have enough quality players coming up in domestic cricket because of factors like this

let's stop complaining and making mountains out of molehills

By no means is this situation - a mountain out of a molehills. All facts.

Yes i have remember reading those posts of yours & thats is the problem with the IPL. It should not have been allowed to be created as an "Indian brand". That is not in the best interest of the global cricket community.

Their is no reason if the IPL has i have repeatedly said, was the proper lone world T20 tournament. I see no reason why as you claim in those two posts, the MAIN point that:

- Indian youngster (the talented ones who actually have a future like Pandey, Jadeja, Ojha) wont learn the ropes on Itl cricket faster than normal.

- Plus given that Indian domestic cricket over the years has been pretty poor, such a tournament of high standard. Could make Indian players tougher technically, mentally when they get to test cricket.

 

[silentstriker]

OK, obviously there were extenuating circumstances. Do you think that they should have just gone ahead with it during the elections, or not had it at all?

Perhaps postponed it for a little bit as wel, either one would have been better. If they had gone ahead, some of the foreign players (and rightly so) may not have made the trip. So postponing it might be OK, but any of the three was a better idea, for me. Obviously, money considerations dictated that it go ahead.

And I would have thought that you, someone who values performances by India away so highly, would have been able to see the positives out of taking the players over to South Africa to play on a different style of pitch, and ensure that they understand what the differences are at a younger age, rather than having another SS Das or Ramesh, who gets found out as soon as the ball comes through over hip height.

I am all for having FC sides tour foreign countries. That would be an awesome idea, and absolutely amazing preparation. The pitches in T20 are absolutely flat regardless of the country, and even if they aren't, I don't think the skills would be transferable to Test cricket, which is the only thing I care about.

So you'd rather not pick the best coaches from around the world to control the sides, but have 8 Indian coaches because you think that is what is going to provide them with the best learning environment?

No, you misunderstand me. I have no problems with 8 Australians or 8 South Africans, or 0 Indians as coaches. My problem is that with the size of the foreign contingent, including the coaching, support and foreign player squad, combined with the fact that not all Indian players may speak great English, encourages cliques to form. There were several accounts from the IPL that suggested that was taking place (e.g, players just stick to who they know). That to me defeats the purpose.

Think you've got it all muddled then. Surely the exposure to the resources and coaches, and the professionalism of players from other countries, sets a standard that the Indian players should be striving to maintain when they go back to the FC competition.

Yea, that would be ideal, wouldn't it? The problem is there are too many players who have never played FC cricket, and are not serious contenders at that level. If the BCCI would institute a rule that all Indian cricketers chosen for IPL teams must have played at least one season in a FC team, that would work.

Haa, are you ok SS?. I just gave the reason, or is it you are denying the existance of the 4-international player restriction?

I asked what ultimatums were given?

 

[aussie]

I asked what ultimatums were given?

It seems as if you are lost. So let me remind you of the post i made - which YOU quoted, that has led us to this odd repetition of the one question by yours truly. I said:

All this goes back to the well documented fault of how faulty the ICC is structured. Yea the IPL is India's idea, but no way in a proper sporting governing body, should they have been able to dictate their ultimatums of the tournament towards the ICC

The ulitmatums has i have said is the erudite "Carrot & Stick" policy of the millions thrown to attract the international stars - "the carrot". While "the stick" is the 4-international player rule restriction.

So it wasn't DIRECT ultimatum, written on paper on anything. Its was indirect, but quite cleverly disguised to an already poorly structure ICC.

Thats why i said before under a proper ICC, a proper balance should have been made & for the 1 millionth time the IPL should not have been allowed to have been established on such a knee-jerk basis, unless it was in the interest of the global cricket community.

I hope you are clearer now shotta...

 

[silentstriker]

The ulitmatums has i have said is the erudite "Carrot & Stick" policy of the millions thrown to attract the international stars - "the carrot". While "the stick" is the 4-international player rule restriction.

Huh? Why is that the stick, and who is the carrot to? The international boards make no money from it, so what's the carrot?

 

[Richard]

And I would have thought that you, someone who values performances by India away so highly, would have been able to see the positives out of taking the players over to South Africa to play on a different style of pitch, and ensure that they understand what the differences are at a younger age, rather than having another SS Das or Ramesh, who gets found out as soon as the ball comes through over hip height.

That may well be true for Ramesh but certainly not Das. Das' Test performances were a letdown (same as his First-Class ones) for the same reason as an Ian Bell or Daren Ganga - he played really well for a time (usually 50-60 balls or so) then threw it away with a nothing stroke. And the only attacks he managed to avoid doing this against were the weaker ones.

Technically, Das was miles ahead of your average Indian who isn't a Tendulkar, Azharuddin, Dravid etc.

 

[ret]

Come on mayn. You seriously tell me those Indian players aren't feeling seriously fatigued?. Get real B, the fact is they can't do nothing about it.

I remember Dhoni making this comment about player fatigue last winter when England toured.

where have I said that Indians don't feel fatigued. In fact I said that they get fatigued the most! .... But 2-3 T20 games a week wouldn't be too taxing to a 'professional' cricketer. If I have to find a reason to worry then I would be more concerned abt injuries

Plus other players world-wide have the same issue. The argument before the IPL & all these crazy T20 tournaments by players was they might retire early because of the jam-packed schedule. But now they can just retire into T20 play for 3hrs, that EXTREMELY dangerous for the future of the game & test cricket.

It's good to see that cricketers have a choice. I would only be worried if I am expecting the same set of players to play all the games in all the formats [which is being idealistic] .... With more games and different formats, lots of players who had to sit out would get opportunities to show their talent

By no means is this situation - a mountain out of a molehills. All facts.

Yes i have remember reading those posts of yours & thats is the problem with the IPL. It should not have been allowed to be created as an "Indian brand". That is not in the best interest of the global cricket community.

Their is no reason if the IPL has i have repeatedly said, was the proper lone world T20 tournament. I see no reason why as you claim in those two posts, the MAIN point that:

- Indian youngster (the talented ones who actually have a future like Pandey, Jadeja, Ojha) wont learn the ropes on Itl cricket faster than normal.

- Plus given that Indian domestic cricket over the years has been pretty poor, such a tournament of high standard. Could make Indian players tougher technically, mentally when they get to test cricket.

The idea is to make more and more cricketers in domestic cricket come to terms with international standards .... If you think that average Indian cricketers don't take a while to come to terms with international cricket when they break in to then you obviously don't know much abt Indian cricket.

As I said, your points from fearing that ICC loss of control to the last point is nothing more than an exercise of making mountain out of molehills

 

[aussie]

Huh? Why is that the stick

Its is stick since it clearly demonstrates the power the BCCI has over the game. In that the weak ICC could not even contest that rule.

That rule should have NEVER been allowed to stand. Under a proper structure - India being the inventors of this tournament bringing the idea to the games governing body. A compromise should have been made.

If IPL & Modi did not want to change to rule, the IPL should have never been established.

and who is the carrot to? The international boards make no money from it, so what's the carrot?

IPL although technically its a domestic tournament, its being fronted as a major global tournament. It would be nothing without the international players, so throwing the millions at the players was only way to get them. Which was effective as i just mentioned because of the poor ICC structure.

The IPL has i keep saying is the football equivalent, to the one of the rich arabian oil-men creating a football league in UAE in the aim of "developing asian football". Thus telling the star players they will offer them 10-20 times more than their clubs & they all go rushing.

The dont see why as the poster ret has said, if the IPL wasn't established as the main gloabal T20 brand with Indian being the host why:

- Indian domestic players (the ones who actually have a future Panday, Ojha not the harmeet singh's n Kamran Khan's) in that weak structure wont be able to learn from the foreign stars & be able to adapt to international cricket better.

The fact that is was established with such a strong pretence to appeal to the Indian base. Is not in the interest of the global cricket community.

Which has highlighted the BIGGER problem in the ICC. The lack of control over the explosion of T20 cricket since the last WC is threating the games future. This timely article, vindicates my point alllll along...

 

[aussie]

where have I said that Indians don't feel fatigued. In fact I said that they get fatigued the most! .... But 2-3 T20 games a week wouldn't be too taxing to a 'professional' cricketer. If I have to find a reason to worry then I would be more concerned abt injuries

But you then went onto say that - "Indians don't seem to mind that so I see little point in someone complaining esp when the player of other country has the option of skipping it! I can understand your concern for their burnout but they are mature individuals capable of knowing what's best for them

Thats why i brought back to your memory those two contrasting comments that Dhoni has made. Which clearly proves India players do mind, but cant do anything about it.

It's good to see that cricketers have a choice. I would only be worried if I am expecting the same set of players to play all the games in all the formats [which is being idealistic] .... With more games and different formats, lots of players who had to sit out would get opportunities to show their talent

Yes its good the all cricketers have a choice & some players dont have to play all three games. But all teams best their star players playing all 3 formats. So that pretty much discredits that point.

But going back to the point of "choice". All of it can be done in a control circumstances, right now that is not a case. Why else is this worry
being debated currently.

[The idea is to make more and more cricketers in domestic cricket come to terms with international standards .... If you think that average Indian cricketers don't take a while to come to terms with international cricket when they break in to then you obviously don't know much abt Indian cricket.

I have not debated this. I agree, but what i am saying i dont see why if the tournament was set as an the main "International T20" why the same Indian players has you said yourself wont learn from the international players & make tougher technically, mentally when they get to test cricket. Instead of introducing a foolish 4-international player restriction.

As I said, your points from fearing that ICC loss of control to the last point is nothing more than an exercise of making mountain out of molehills

ICL saga being established & temporarily causing PAK & NZ two big players is a perfect example of the inept structure of the ICC. That tournament shouldn't have been allowed to happen either.

If the threat of players probably retiring to T20 tournaments instead of pushing hard for International honours ever comes to pass. That will be be the final nail in the casket.

Plus most dangerously, the younger generation growing up. I am a black brit, my race since the decline of WI cricket generally have no interest in cricket (the 2005 ashes didn't help). They are gaining interest in cricket again to a level & test cricket has nothing to do with it, thats badd..

 

[silentstriker]

Its is stick since it clearly demonstrates the power the BCCI has over the game. In that the weak ICC could not even contest that rule.

What is the stick? Allow your players to join, or....????

 

[vic_orthdox]

Someone here needs to stop thinking of what he wants the IPL to be, rather than what it actually is. No money comes from the ICC, so why should they have any say in proceedings? Why should they have any say in that rule?

 

[ret]

But you then went onto say that - "Indians don't seem to mind that so I see little point in someone complaining esp when the player of other country has the option of skipping it! I can understand your concern for their burnout but they are mature individuals capable of knowing what's best for them

Thats why i brought back to your memory those two contrasting comments that Dhoni has made. Which clearly proves India players do mind, but cant do anything about it.

By Indians, I also implied Indian fans! The cricketers have the option of skipping the tourneys, if they want to [not that they will because of the money]. I didn't read the comment that you provided but I would assume that if Dhoni complained it's because he wants better planing of tournaments and that necessarily doesn't mean that he wants IPL or T20 skipped [like you are making it appear].

If your point is that Dhoni complained of over cricket so IPL [or T20] is the reason then you could possible looking at the wrong angle. It could also mean that he wants better rotation, proper scheduling, etc.

Yes its good the all cricketers have a choice & some players dont have to play all three games. But all teams best their star players playing all 3 formats. So that pretty much discredits that point.

But going back to the point of "choice". All of it can be done in a control circumstances, right now that is not a case. Why else is this worry
being debated currently.

the point is if they want to chose what they want to play then let them. who are you to decide what they should be playing and what they shouldn't? why it should be considered wrong if they feel the need to focus on T20 more as a career strategy?

I have not debated this. I agree, but what i am saying i dont see why if the tournament was set as an the main "International T20" why the same Indian players has you said yourself wont learn from the international players & make tougher technically, mentally when they get to test cricket. Instead of introducing a foolish 4-international player restriction.

4 international player restriction means that 7 Indian players play! And we all know that you learn more by first hand playing experience, by actually being on the field in that kind of environment, with pressure [including crowd]

ICL saga being established & temporarily causing PAK & NZ two big players is a perfect example of the inept structure of the ICC. That tournament shouldn't have been allowed to happen either.

If the threat of players probably retiring to T20 tournaments instead of pushing hard for International honours ever comes to pass. That will be be the final nail in the casket.

Plus most dangerously, the younger generation growing up. I am a black brit, my race since the decline of WI cricket generally have no interest in cricket (the 2005 ashes didn't help). They are gaining interest in cricket again to a level & test cricket has nothing to do with it, thats badd..

One has to learn to grow up to the times. In my opinion, there have been too many international tours which is causing many to lose interest in many of the tours as series follow after series. I think it's time to better schedule international cricket and that's what cricketers are probably suggesting too [and that's why they probably said that if that doesn't happen they will be forced to chose where they can better leverage their skills and career strategy]

 

[aussie]

By Indians, I also implied Indian fans! The cricketers have the option of skipping the tourneys, if they want to [not that they will because of the money]. I didn't read the comment that you provided but I would assume that if Dhoni complained it's because he wants better planing of tournaments and that necessarily doesn't mean that he wants IPL or T20 skipped [like you are making it appear].

If your point is that Dhoni complained of over cricket so IPL [or T20] is the reason then you could possible looking at the wrong angle. It could also mean that he wants better rotation, proper scheduling, etc.

I wasn't trying to imply that Dhoni made those comments because he had preference to T20s over Test or ODI's. If my memory serves me corrected didn't Dhoni skip the tour the SRI because of fatigue?, then the series vs AUS & ENG where really clustured.

He made that intial comment during the ODI series vs ENG & the BCCI cautioned him. Now fast-forward to the T20 WC he took the approach to say "Fatigue is part of Indian cricket" so as to avoid problem with the BCCI.

Rotation should not even be an option really. Too much cricket is being played already, its a problem in the modern game with all players that they have to skip games because of fatigue - It drops the standard of internationals. How do you think the paying fans would feel if going to some games means missing out seeing stars?

The GENERAL point & problem though is. The fear of player burn-out in the FTP & a total lack of control over the spread of these T20 tournaments due to the poor ICC structure - is causing talks of players probably going for T20 riches over international honours. This is a MASSIVE problem.

the point is if they want to chose what they want to play then let them. who are you to decide what they should be playing and what they shouldn't? why it should be considered wrong if they feel the need to focus on T20 more as a career strategy?

Hold this has nothing to do with ME & what i want. So clear those cob-webs...

My goodness are you serious?. Test cricket is a ultimate version of cricket, the lack of control over the growth of T20 cricket has i'm saying is dangerous for the future of test cricket, if young players see T20 has their prefered option in cricket instead of tests. Why is this even a debate?

4 international player restriction means that 7 Indian players play! And we all know that you learn more by first hand playing experience, by actually being on the field in that kind of environment, with pressure [including crowd]

Just to clear up, i am not againts the player restrictions. India brought up the idea & they are funding it. But the problem with the IPL as i keep saying is - given the ICC really isn't structure as the "Governing body" of world cricket - and the BCCI indirectly holds that positions. They really didn't have to go to anybody superior when they announced this tournament for approval.

Under a proper ICC, a proper concession should have been made between them & the BCCI between the Int'l player rules restrictions vs Indian players, because the IPL needs to international players as you rightfully claim to help those Indian players, since it would be useless.

I would have suggested maybe 5/6 international players could play per game. But that doesn't mean ALL 5/6 have to play per game. You have 14 group games right, so rotation could happen & the Indian players would still get the exposure

If Modi & company didn't want to comply to those "probable rules" a strong ICC would suggest, the IPL should not have been created, since the tournamnet has too much of an Indian biased towards it. Which is not in the interest of the global cricket community.

One has to learn to grow up to the times. In my opinion, there have been too many international tours which is causing many to lose interest in many of the tours as series follow after series. I think it's time to better schedule international cricket and that's what cricketers are probably suggesting too [and that's why they probably said that if that doesn't happen they will be forced to chose where they can better leverage their skills and career strategy]

Agree 100%. Player burn-out has become increasing a problem in this 2000s era. Thats why the lack of control over the these T20 tournaments with the money temptation is their can destroy the game.

Tournaments like the Champions trophy has to go & 7-match ODI series.

If as i was saying the IPL was created under such a knee-jerk basis of the T20 WC in SA 07, but instead as the one major, annual T20 global tournament outside of the World Cup T20. Players would not even be comtemplating retiring to T20 tournaments.

 

[aussie]

Someone here needs to stop thinking of what he wants the IPL to be, rather than what it actually is.

Welcome to the argument jacko.

Firstly lets clear a few things up. This has nothing to do with what I WANT - rather i am arguing the why the IPL is a problem & how bad the ICC is.

No money comes from the ICC, so why should they have any say in proceedings? Why should they have any say in that rule?

Do you think its odd that the ICC the so called "governing body" of the world game. Can sit down & plan World cups, Champions league FTP programmes for a whole decade, alter rules of the game.

But as T20 explodes into the public imagination they have no say in the establishment over T20 tournamets like - IPL, ICL, Standford T20, Champions league, Southern Premier league, English P20?

What is the stick? Allow your players to join, or....????

Why did you quote this part, when i clearly explained the stick in the remainder of that post?

I dont think you fully grasp what i meant by the "Carrot & Stick" policy. Or else you wouldn't have made this statement either.

BCCI basically runs cricket. ICC is so messed up administratively that T20 explosion shows how bad it is. So Modi in his IPL vision didn't need a "governing body's" approval to sanction the tournament - they didn't need to create NOC contracts - and didn't have to form an alliance with the MCC to promise to uphold to rules and spirit of the game during the IPL. The IPL could have been just as renegade as the ICL.

So its not a situation of where as you are suggesting the IPL was saying to cricket boards "Allow your players to join or...". The idiom is called Carrot & Stick not Stick & Carrot for a reason.

The IPL needed to international players, so the the carrot (the big bucks) was first offered. The stick (4-international rules restriction) was then applied, so that the idea of an "Indian tournament" could be upheld, which illustrated the shocking power the BCCI has in the game since that should have never been allowed to happen.

 

[silentstriker]

The IPL needed to international players, so the the carrot (the big bucks) was first offered. The stick (4-international rules restriction) was then applied, so that the idea of an "Indian tournament" could be upheld, which illustrated the shocking power the BCCI has in the game since that should have never been allowed to happen.

OK, so the carrot is the money. However, the boards don't see any money.....only the players do. What is the benefit to the boards?

 

[ret]

@ aussie

let me summarize what you said

1. Too much cricket [read T20] is causing players to burnout
2. Too much cricket [read T20] is causing players to select formats
3. Too much money in T20 cricket [read IPL] is causing players to give it preference
4. Too much money in domestic T20 tournaments like IPL is causing players to pick it over international cricket
5. Too much T20 cricket [read IPL] is making players to ignore test cricket
6. I like to watch every type of cricket
7. I want more international players in IPL so that I can enjoy IPL more
8. I like test cricket more
9. I see it as a massive problem when players play T20 over test cricket
10. I see a problem when T20 tourneys offer more money to players to play in it as they will play in it and not play international cricket so its evil [implied]
11. IPL doesn't help Indian domestic players that much
12. IPL, T20, fatigue, more money, less test cricket, less international honor, more T20, more cricket, more burnout
13. I don't make mountains out of molehills

 

[Furball]

@ aussie

let me summarize what you said

1. Too much cricket [read T20] is causing players to burnout

DWTA.

It is the fault of the ICC that too much cricket is being played.

Most Australian internationals skipped this season's IPL, because since last October, the FTP has seen Australia play:

• A 4 Test series in India
• A 2 Test Series at home to New Zealand
• A 3 Test, 2 T20I, 5 ODI series at home to South Africa
• A 5 match ODI series vs New Zealand
• A 3 Test, 2 T20I, 5 ODI series in South Africa
• A 5 ODI, 1 T20I series vs Pakistan in the UAE

That is an insane amount of cricket. Now let's look at what the next 6-9 months have in store:

• Twenty20 World Cup
• Ashes Tour of England (2 FC tour games, 5 Tests, 8 ODIs, 2 T20Is)
• Champions Trophy
• Home series vs West Indies and Pakistan (6 Tests, 10 ODIs, 3T20Is)
• Away series vs New Zealand (3 Tests, 5 ODIs)

According to the FTP, they're also due to go back to India for a 7 match ODI series between the Champions Trophy and their home summer as well.

That's a ludicrous international schedule. If international cricket is going to survive, then the ICC needs to cut back the amount of cricket its members play. Otherwise, you're going to get a scenario where the top players either pick and choose with the consent of their boards which series they'll play in to avoid burn out (we're already starting to see this - MS Dhoni skipped the Test leg of last summer's Sri Lanka tour, Australia have been strategically resting players during ODIs this winter), thus devaluing international cricket, or worse, be so burned out with constant travelling and playing that they decide that they can't do it any more, and choose the easy life of playing for 6 weeks in the IPL for $1m, thus depriving international cricket of its top stars.

Twenty20 "super leagues" in the form of the IPL, P20 (done properly, not the nonsense that's been proposed), SPL, Champions League, whatever, will be the future of the game. It is the ICC which is destroying international cricket, not these T20 leagues.

 

[ret]

yep, that's a lot of international cricket!