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**Official** NRL 2009 Thread
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Simon
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Its actually worth keeping in mind that playing for Fiji doesnt actually harm his chances of playing for NSW. International league is seperate from State of Origin eligibility, its more of a case of the ARL ensuring that the players in question align themselves to Australia before being selecting for SOO.
As it stands Hayne isnt currently eligible to play for Australian until end of next year I believe (although I'm sure they will find a way around it if they want to pick him) but he now says he is an Aussie and wont play for Fiji in that time so he can play for the Blues.
ripper868
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Still a joke though, So can play for a state of Australia but not for Australia as he is Fijian...Does this also mean if some bloke was born in Papua New Guinea, played for Papua New Guinea at the world cup but made his first grade debut for the Atherton Roosters in Far North Queensland that he would be eligible to play for Queensland?
(very nearly used abbreviations there.)
dontcloseyoureyes
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Fairly sure you just described Adrian Lam.
Simon
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Yeh thats exactly the case as long as the player says that he wants to play for Australia. In the Adrian Lam case I believe officials were under the impression he would no longer play for Papua New Guniea and only make himself available for Australia. Obviously he didn't but kept playing for Queensland.
Craig Smith was another in 1997 who played for Queensland despite playing for New Zealand.
Craig Smith was another in 1997 who played for Queensland despite playing for New Zealand.
ripper868
International Coach
Thats just what i don't get, how can you represent a state that you have zero blood bondage to? I understand the whole seperate entities thing but don't get how a bloke born and raised in PNG could play for Queensland based on the fact he played footy their first. As the name suggests, State of Origin. I read origin to be place of birth.
Ausage
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Origin has never been about where you were born. It's where you first played footy.
Pretty similar in all sports though isn't it? I mean in the socceroos thread we have people talking about a guy who was getting close to playing for Wales despite having little connection to the place. Then there's the story of Craig Gower in Union. Lets not even start on Brazillian "naturalized" Qataris. People play for rep teams they have little connection to all the time.
As for international league, it will always be a joke as long as they allow people to cross back and forth. If you want to play in the world cup for Tonga, fine, but that's who you represent from this point forward. This would have to be combined with a more robust international program for those that choose island nations like Tonga and Samoa. You'd get some short term unbalanced scorelines (more unbalanced that is) but in the long term its the only way to truly grow the international form of the game at a competitive level.
ripper868
International Coach
Indeed but he is now not going to go and turn out for the Neath State of Origin Team.
The gower example is cross code and he fits in with the eligibility (i.e. italian granddmother). The Brazillian-Qatari thing i don't know much about. My goat is that State of Origin is meant to be a bout blokes from Queensland and New South Wales belting each other...Essentially on the current system twin brothers born in Greenland could end up opposite each other in a State of Origin Game because one played for the Bundaberg Bullfrogs in his A Grade debut while the other played for Coogee Dolphins in his. In my opinion it should be based on where you are born. If born in New South wales you play for New South Wales, if born in Queensland, you play for Queensland. If born outside these states, then tough titties. And how come Greg Inglis has special dispensation to play for Queensland despite playing his first game for Bowraville (as he says during the team line-ups)?
Trumpers_Ghost
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What would happen if a player is born, raised and plays all underage football in Melbourne. After graduating from the storm Youth team (and not playing in Queensland cup side) he gets a contract with the Warriors (even the storm for that matter) and becomes a star.
He would be able to play for Aust but would have no links at all to either State, and hence miss origin, which would then hamper his chances of playing for Aust. This is possible in a few years time, and probably a wet dream of the NRL.
He would be able to play for Aust but would have no links at all to either State, and hence miss origin, which would then hamper his chances of playing for Aust. This is possible in a few years time, and probably a wet dream of the NRL.
Ausage
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Honestly couldn't answer that one.
I understand what you're getting at, but as far as rep sport in general goes, if you're good enough, you're pretty much free to play for whomever they choose. Where you were born isn't the determining eligibility factor in any other sport, why should Origin be any different? Origin is more rigid than most international sports because there is theoretically only ever going to be one team you can play for.
The Brazillian Qataris I refer to are Brazillian players born and bred, but are given lucrative contracts in the Qatari national league (along with citizenship) with a clause in it stating their eligibility to play for Qatar. In other words, buying players to play for the national team.
Origin shenanigans don't hold a candle to that.
Actually I heard talk of a Victorian Origin team being possible in a decade or so.What would happen if a player is born, raised and plays all underage football in Melbourne. After graduating from the storm Youth team (and not playing in Queensland cup side) he gets a contract with the Warriors (even the storm for that matter) and becomes a star.
He would be able to play for Aust but would have no links at all to either State, and hence miss origin, which would then hamper his chances of playing for Aust. This is possible in a few years time, and probably a wet dream of the NRL.
Apparently the Storm youth team has quite a bit of talent in it. Wouldn't that stick in the AFLs craw
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ripper868
International Coach
Yeah i suppose, all rep stuff everywhere has some sort of shenanigan to it, just seems that League in particular treats country's and states more like clubs then anything.Honestly couldn't answer that one.
I understand what you're getting at, but as far as rep sport in general goes, if you're good enough, you're pretty much free to play for whomever they choose. Where you were born isn't the determining eligibility factor in any other sport, why should Origin be any different? Origin is more rigid than most international sports because there is theoretically only ever going to be one team you can play for.
The Brazillian Qataris I refer to are Brazillian players born and bred, but are given lucrative contracts in the Qatari national league (along with citizenship) with a clause in it stating their eligibility to play for Qatar. In other words, buying players to play for the national team.
Origin shenanigans don't hold a candle to that.
Actually I heard talk of a Victorian Origin team being possible in a decade or so.
Wouldn't that stick in the AFLs craw
Craig
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Alright ripper, a player was born in Noosa and 3 months later his family moved to Sydney and got a contract at Parramatta (never lived outside of NSW in that time) and became good enough to play Origin, why shouldn't he be allowed to play for NSW if that is where his heart is?
Craig
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Well I simply disagree.
Mister Wright
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The most hilarious post I've read in yonks.
Burgey
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You would - Queensland has been poaching New South Wales born kids for over two decades, on the pretence they once visited Surfers for a Christmas holiday aged eight, thus rendering them "originally" from the deep North.
You should be ashamed.
