***Official*** IPL 2009

[SJS]

Just watched the highlights. Man, what a blitz from Gilly! Just phenomenal!

Absolutely. A pity he got out when he did. It would have been a spectacular hundred.

 

[Burgey]

Forget the rest. Even in his dotage, there can still be no question as to the world's most destructive limited overs batsman when Gilchrist is Gilchrist.

 

[Smith]

Forget the rest. Even in his dotage, there can still be no question as to the world's most destructive limited overs batsman when Gilchrist is Gilchrist.

Sehwag. Jayasurya. Afridi. Gilchrist.

 

[SJS]

Sehwag. Jayasurya. Afridi. Gilchrist.

Gilchrist, Richards, Tendulkar

 

[Burgey]

Sehwag. Jayasurya. Afridi. Gilchrist.

Let Sehwag do it as long as Gilly did in limited overs stuff.

Jaya didn't do it as consistently in the biggest games as Gilchrist, would have him ahead of Sehwag though and tbf, I'd have him as one of the greatest ODI players of all time, so very little between he and Gilly - a good shout.

Afridi isn't fit to carry the other three's jockstraps as a batsman. Went off once every half decade.

A Gilchrist assault is probably the one which reminds me of Richards the most. Probs a perception thing, but his hitting is just to clean.

Lean towards SJS's take on it tbh. Would group those three ahead of the three you listed.

 

[Smith]

Let Sehwag do it as long as Gilly did in limited overs stuff.

Jaya didn't do it as consistently in the biggest games as Gilchrist, would have him ahead of Sehwag though and tbf, I'd have him as one of the greatest ODI players of all time, so very little between he and Gilly - a good shout.

Afridi isn't fit to carry the other three's jockstraps as a batsman. Went off once every half decade.

A Gilchrist assault is probably the one which reminds me of Richards the most. Probs a perception thing, but his hitting is just to clean.

Lean towards SJS's take on it tbh. Would group those three ahead of the three you listed.

Jayasurya was far more explosive player than Gilchrist and far more consistent too. Gilchrist's purple patch in ODIs started probably with the 2003 WC final. Jayasurya has been doing it since 1996, and still continuing.

Your comment was "There is noone to contest Gilchrist when he is Gilchrist". I interpreted that as "on his day". Fair argument that Afridi, Sehwag and Jayasurya can give Gilly a go on their respective days. I don't think consistency comes into the picture there.

Having said that, there is no question that Gilly was more consistent than Sehwag or Afridi.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Jayasurya was far more explosive player than Gilchrist and far more consistent too. Gilchrist's purple patch in ODIs started probably with the 2003 WC final. Jayasurya has been doing it since 1996, and still continuing.

I'm not going to enter into who is a better batsman, but that comment is rubbish. Jayasuriya should have finished up about three years ago.

And he also hardly been doing it since 1996. He's always been a hot and cold player capable of making bugger all as he is capable of making heaps.

 

[SJS]

Robin Uthappa has played 13 of the 14 games played by RC Bangalore. Bang in the middle of these 13 games (in the 7th against Mumbai Indians) he scored 62 in 44 balls. In the six games before and the five games after, in which he has batted, he has scored. . .

[B]Versus	Runs	Balls	St Rt[/B]

RR	3	10	30
CSK	20	19	105
DC	12	19	63
K XI	0	1	0
DD	3	8	38
K XI	19	17	112
RR	17	20	85
MI	4	4	100
KKR	7	9	78
CSK	6	4	150
DD	1	5	20

[B]Overall	92	116	79[/B]

Thats a batting average of 8.4 in 11 of the 12 games he has played at 4.8 runs per over. The guy is a cricketing disaster in any format of the game, not just T-20 where his attempts to mimic Sir Vivian Richard would be laughable if they were not so pathetic.

There isn't a single innings in those 11 - not one - that can be said to be worth another game and I saw all the games of RC Bangalore. On top of that, this highly over-hyped fielder has dropped some of the most horrendous sitters in IPL 2009.

I am not aware of his being related to Dr Mallaya. Can any one tell me why this guys is playing so many games?

 

[pasag]

Robin Uthappa has played 13 of the 14 games played by RC Bangalore. Bang in the middle of these 13 games (in the 7th against Mumbai Indians) he scored 62 in 44 balls. In the six games before and the five games after, in which he has batted, he has scored. . .

[B]Versus	Runs	Balls	St Rt[/B]

RR	3	10	30
CSK	20	19	105
DC	12	19	63
K XI	0	1	0
DD	3	8	38
K XI	19	17	112
RR	17	20	85
MI	4	4	100
KKR	7	9	78
CSK	6	4	150
DD	1	5	20

[B]Overall	92	116	79[/B]

Thats a batting average of 8.4 in 11 of the 12 games he has played at 4.8 runs per over. The guy is a cricketing disaster in any format of the game, not just T-20 where his attempts to mimic Sir Vivian Richard would be laughable if they were not so pathetic.

There isn't a single innings in those 11 - not one - that can be said to be worth another game and I saw all the games of RC Bangalore. On top of that, this highly over-hyped fielder has dropped some of the most horrendous sitters in IPL 2009.

I am not aware of his being related to Dr Mallaya. Can any one tell me why this guys is playing so many games?

Just looking at the pure stats, his most useful game there was the golden duck because at least he didn't waste any deliveries!

 

[Smith]

I'm not going to enter into who is a better batsman, but that comment is rubbish. Jayasuriya should have finished up about three years ago.

And he also hardly been doing it since 1996. He's always been a hot and cold player capable of making bugger all as he is capable of making heaps.

Jayasurya's record since 1996

[B]Year	Matches	Runs	 Average  SR 	100s	50s	Verdict[/B]
1996	30	955	 34.10 	 112.7	2	4	Moderate
1997	26	1178	 51.21 	 113.5 	3	9	Hot
1998	23	661	 28.73 	 83.67 	1	4	Cold
1999	28	674	 25.92 	 85.53 	0	7	Cold
2000	21	910	 43.33 	 87.92 	2	6	Hot
2001	33	1202	 37.56 	 83.24 	2	8	Hot
2002	31	1077	 35.90 	 91.73 	2	4	Moderate
2003	25	860	 39.09 	 85.82 	3	3	Hot
2004	25	724	 31.47 	 83.60 	2	3	Moderate
2005	13	323	 26.91 	 88.98 	0	1	Cold
2006	26	1153	 48.04 	 107.4 	5	2	Hot
2007	31	835	 29.82 	 93.71 	2	4	Cold
2008	18	578	 34.00 	 106.6	2	2	Moderate
2009	11	366	 33.27 	 94.81 	1	1	Moderate
[B]Overall	341	11496	 35.92 	 93.93 	27	58	[/B]

Gilly's record since 1996,

[B]Year	Matches	Runs	 Average  SR 	100s	50s	Verdict[/B]
1996	2	18	 9.00 	 78.26 	0	0	Cold
1997	12	286	 35.75 	 79.66 	0	2	Moderate
1998	25	831	 36.13 	 88.12 	3	2	Moderate
1999	37	1241	 33.54 	 89.08 	2	6	Moderate
2000	23	726	 31.56 	 95.15 	1	5	Moderate
2001	20	746	 43.88 	 90.75 	0	7	Hot
2002	27	836	 32.15 	 96.20 	2	4	Moderate
2003	31	1098	 37.86 	 101.3 	1	8	Hot
2004	21	879	 43.95 	 111.5 	1	5	Hot
2005	27	892	 35.68 	 103.7 	2	3	Moderate
2006	22	810	 38.57 	 103.9 	2	4	Hot
2007	30	934	 34.59 	 102.4 	1	7	Moderate
2008	10	322	 32.20 	 98.17 	1	2	Moderate
[B]Overall	287	9619	 35.89 	 96.94 	16	55	[/B]

27 100s against 16 100s in the same period. And Jayasurya has performed better than his career average in the last two years as well.

 

[Smith]

Robin Uthappa has played 13 of the 14 games played by RC Bangalore. Bang in the middle of these 13 games (in the 7th against Mumbai Indians) he scored 62 in 44 balls. In the six games before and the five games after, in which he has batted, he has scored. . .

[B]Versus	Runs	Balls	St Rt[/B]

RR	3	10	30
CSK	20	19	105
DC	12	19	63
K XI	0	1	0
DD	3	8	38
K XI	19	17	112
RR	17	20	85
MI	4	4	100
KKR	7	9	78
CSK	6	4	150
DD	1	5	20

[B]Overall	92	116	79[/B]

Thats a batting average of 8.4 in 11 of the 12 games he has played at 4.8 runs per over. The guy is a cricketing disaster in any format of the game, not just T-20 where his attempts to mimic Sir Vivian Richard would be laughable if they were not so pathetic.

There isn't a single innings in those 11 - not one - that can be said to be worth another game and I saw all the games of RC Bangalore. On top of that, this highly over-hyped fielder has dropped some of the most horrendous sitters in IPL 2009.

I am not aware of his being related to Dr Mallaya. Can any one tell me why this guys is playing so many games?

However, Ray Jennings tip him to come good in the Semis and Finals. He is reasonably good talent in T20s I feel. But he is trying to do too many things now. I never considered him as a good, leave alone brilliant, fielder. Lazy ass.

 

[Uppercut]

Gilchrist, Richards, Tendulkar

Tendulkar's definitely a better ODI batsman than Gilchrist, but i wouldn't call him as destructive. Until he manages something as ridiculous as 85 off 35.

 

[SJS]

Jayasurya's record since 1996



27 100s against 16 100s in the same period. And Jayasurya has performed better than his career average in the last two years as well.

Take away the non Test playing nations and the minnows like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies and the averages for Gilchrist and Sanath are 35.2 and 31.98 respectively.

The frequesncy of hundreds is about the same - every 15.5 (Gilly) and 15.7(Sanath) games respectively. However, Gilchrist gets a fifty plus score once every 3.9 innings while Jayasuriya gets one every 4.4.

Gilchrist appears more consistent.

 

[SJS]

Just looking at the pure stats, his most useful game there was the golden duck because at least he didn't waste any deliveries!

Word !

 

[Redbacks]

well the since 96' theory had been debunked then.

v Australia - 1996-2008 37 37 3 863 122 25.38 953 90.55 2 4 5 104 14

his average was actualy worse against Australia when you give the full range of his career ( @ 21.95) but I think this accounts for why people in Australia might not rate him as consistent. Then again he faced good bowling attacks that many players would have a lower strike rate of good scores against.

 

[Smith]

Tendulkar's definitely a better ODI batsman than Gilchrist, but i wouldn't call him as destructive. Until he manages something as ridiculous as 85 off 35.

I am ignoring the preposterous idea of rating destructiveness of a batsman in ODIs based on a T20 domestic performances. But for your benefit, I've listed some of Tendulkar's most destructive knocks below. Considering the period and his age in which most of them were made, and considering the quality of opposition (barring Bermuda, Kenya), and the better pitches back then, they show how destructive he was.

Runs	Balls	Fours	Sixes	 SR 		Oppostion	Venue		Date
57*	29	2	4	 196.55 	 Bermuda	Port of Spain	19-Mar-07
82	49	15	2	 167.34 	 New Zealand	Auckland	27-Mar-94
62	38	11	0	 163.15 	 Australia	Visakhapatnam	3-Apr-01
41	26	7	1	 157.69 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		18-Jan-98
67	44	11	0	 152.27 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		11-Jan-98
53	36	3	3	 147.22 	 New Zealand	Colombo (RPS)	23-Jun-98
140*	101	16	3	 138.61 	 Kenya		Bristol		23-May-99
45	33	7	1	 136.36 	 South Africa	Durban		13-Feb-97
124*	92	12	6	 134.78 	 Zimbabwe	Sharjah		13-Nov-98
100*	76	10	1	 131.57 	 West Indies	Vadodara	31-Jan-07
98	75	12	1	 130.66 	 Pakistan	Centurion	1-Mar-03
52*	40	5	0	 130.00 	 Pakistan	Sharjah		18-Oct-91
65	50	9	0	 130.00 	 Sri Lanka	Colombo (RPS)	19-Jun-98
87*	67	13	1	 129.85 	 England	Kanpur		28-Jan-02
53	41	7	1	 129.26 	 Sri Lanka	Pune		5-Dec-90
186*	150	20	3	 124.00 	 New Zealand	Hyderabad	8-Nov-99
163*	133	16	5	 122.55 	 New Zealand	Christchurch	8-Mar-09
95	78	6	5	 121.79 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		14-Jan-98
71	59	13	0	 120.33 	 England	Leeds		2-Sep-07
85	72	7	3	 118.05 	 Zimbabwe	Singapore	4-Sep-99
94	81	16	1	 116.04 	 England	The Oval	5-Sep-07
100	89	5	7	 112.35 	 Australia	Kanpur		7-Apr-98
102	91	12	1	 112.08 	 New Zealand	Hyderabad	15-Nov-03
139	125	19	0	 111.20 	 Australia	Indore		31-Mar-01
141	128	13	3	 110.15 	 Australia	Dhaka		28-Oct-98
143	131	9	5	 109.16 	 Australia	Sharjah		22-Apr-98

 

[Smith]

Take away the non Test playing nations and the minnows like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies and the averages for Gilchrist and Sanath are 35.2 and 31.98 respectively.

The frequesncy of hundreds is about the same - every 15.5 (Gilly) and 15.7(Sanath) games respectively. However, Gilchrist gets a fifty plus score once every 3.9 innings while Jayasuriya gets one every 4.4.

Gilchrist appears more consistent.

I can understand Bangladesh being ignored, but I think Zimbabwe and WI were competitive teams back in those days. WI still are a force in ODIs, (Forget Champions Trophy 2004?)

 

[Redbacks]

98 75 12 1 130.66 Pakistan Centurion

One of the best one day knocks (games) ever, bit lucky to be dropped early on though. The uppercuts for six from Sehwag and Sachin were unforgettable!!!

 

[Smith]

One of the best one day knocks (games) ever, bit lucky to be dropped early on though. The uppercuts for six from Sehwag and Sachin were unforgettable!!!

Of course. Considering it came against the best triumvirate pace attack (Wasim Akram, Waqar & Shoiab) in ODI history in a high pressure WC game. It was silken murder.

 

[Uppercut]

I am ignoring the preposterous idea of rating destructiveness of a batsman in ODIs based on a T20 domestic performances. But for your benefit, I've listed some of Tendulkar's most destructive knocks below. Considering the period and his age in which most of them were made, and considering the quality of opposition (barring Bermuda, Kenya), and the better pitches back then, they show how destructive he was.

Runs	Balls	Fours	Sixes	 SR 		Oppostion	Venue		Date
57*	29	2	4	 196.55 	 Bermuda	Port of Spain	19-Mar-07
82	49	15	2	 167.34 	 New Zealand	Auckland	27-Mar-94
62	38	11	0	 163.15 	 Australia	Visakhapatnam	3-Apr-01
41	26	7	1	 157.69 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		18-Jan-98
67	44	11	0	 152.27 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		11-Jan-98
53	36	3	3	 147.22 	 New Zealand	Colombo (RPS)	23-Jun-98
140*	101	16	3	 138.61 	 Kenya		Bristol		23-May-99
45	33	7	1	 136.36 	 South Africa	Durban		13-Feb-97
124*	92	12	6	 134.78 	 Zimbabwe	Sharjah		13-Nov-98
100*	76	10	1	 131.57 	 West Indies	Vadodara	31-Jan-07
98	75	12	1	 130.66 	 Pakistan	Centurion	1-Mar-03
52*	40	5	0	 130.00 	 Pakistan	Sharjah		18-Oct-91
65	50	9	0	 130.00 	 Sri Lanka	Colombo (RPS)	19-Jun-98
87*	67	13	1	 129.85 	 England	Kanpur		28-Jan-02
53	41	7	1	 129.26 	 Sri Lanka	Pune		5-Dec-90
186*	150	20	3	 124.00 	 New Zealand	Hyderabad	8-Nov-99
163*	133	16	5	 122.55 	 New Zealand	Christchurch	8-Mar-09
95	78	6	5	 121.79 	 Pakistan	Dhaka		14-Jan-98
71	59	13	0	 120.33 	 England	Leeds		2-Sep-07
85	72	7	3	 118.05 	 Zimbabwe	Singapore	4-Sep-99
94	81	16	1	 116.04 	 England	The Oval	5-Sep-07
100	89	5	7	 112.35 	 Australia	Kanpur		7-Apr-98
102	91	12	1	 112.08 	 New Zealand	Hyderabad	15-Nov-03
139	125	19	0	 111.20 	 Australia	Indore		31-Mar-01
141	128	13	3	 110.15 	 Australia	Dhaka		28-Oct-98
143	131	9	5	 109.16 	 Australia	Sharjah		22-Apr-98

Tendulkar is awesome? Tell me something i didn't know. That's the easy part.

Gilchrist's strike rates are even more destructive (ignoring those Bermuda and Kenya innings, which really aren't especially relevant).

Bat1  	Runs  	BF  	SR  	4s  	6s  	 	Opposition  	Ground  	Start Date  	
69*  	69  	37  	186.48  15  	0  	 	v England  	Sydney  	23 Jan 2003  	ODI # 1940
51 	51 	29 	175.86 	6 	2 		v New Zealand 	Adelaide 	14 Dec 2007 	ODI # 2655
83 	83 	50 	166.00 	11 	2 		v Sri Lanka 	Melbourne 	29 Feb 2008 	ODI # 2687
70 	70 	44 	159.09 	12 	1 		v Pakistan 	Nottingham 	19 Jun 2001 	ODI # 1725
52 	52 	34 	152.94 	8 	2 		v South Africa 	Port Elizabeth 	6 Apr 2002 	ODI # 1824
54 	54 	36 	150.00 	8 	1 		v Pakistan 	Lord's 	20 Jun 1999 	ODI # 1484
91 	91 	61 	149.18 	9 	4 		v New Zealand 	Napier 	5 Mar 2005 	ODI # 2234
54 	54 	37 	145.94 	8 	1 		v New Zealand 	Wellington 	1 Mar 2005 	ODI # 2232
149 	149 	104 	143.26 	13 	8 		v Sri Lanka 	Bridgetown 	28 Apr 2007 	ODI # 2581
61 	61 	45 	135.55 	10 	1 		v India 	Kochi 	1 Apr 1998 	ODI # 1300
122 	122 	91 	134.06 	13 	4 		v Sri Lanka 	Brisbane 	14 Feb 2006 	ODI # 2330
88 	88 	66 	133.33 	14 	0 		v South Africa 	Sydney 	5 Feb 2006 	ODI # 2323
95 	95 	72 	131.94 	14 	1 		v India 	Sydney 	22 Jan 2004 	ODI # 2086
128 	128 	98 	130.61 	9 	7 		v New Zealand 	Christchurch 	26 Feb 2000 	ODI # 1569
103 	103 	79 	130.37 	8 	4 		v ICC World XI 	Melbourne (Dock) 	7 Oct 2005 	ODI # 2283
51 	51 	40 	127.50 	5 	3 		v South Africa 	Durban 	12 Apr 2000 	ODI # 1587
76 	76 	60 	126.66 	10 	1 		v India 	Margao 	6 Apr 2001 	ODI # 1701
68 	68 	54 	125.92 	9 	0 		v New Zealand 	Melbourne (Dock) 	5 Dec 2004 	ODI # 2196
60 	60 	48 	125.00 	9 	1 		v New Zealand 	Sydney 	8 Dec 2004 	ODI # 2198
55 	55 	44 	125.00 	9 	0 		v South Africa 	Johannesburg 	12 Mar 2006 	ODI # 2349
51 	51 	42 	121.42 	8 	0 		v Pakistan 	Sydney 	4 Feb 2000 	ODI # 1556
121* 	121 	101 	119.80 	17 	2 		v England 	The Oval 	12 Jul 2005 	
154 	154 	129 	119.37 	14 	4 		v Sri Lanka 	Melbourne 	7 Feb 1999 	ODI # 1403
124 	124 	104 	119.23 	12 	4 		v England 	Melbourne 	15 Dec 2002 	ODI # 1919

EDIT: Trying to get the code right. Hadn't used it before.