IPL criticisms

[Richard]

There is no difference between the IPL and ICL, I thought the IPL was created to stop players from going to the ICL whilst still playing for there country.

No, it was created by the BCCI to kill the ICL as not to erode their power base.

Debateable TSTL, given that something like the IPL would be extraordinarily difficult to organise in the space of a month or two. It was still rushed - probably indeed because of the ICL - but it's unlikely IMO that it was created directly because of the ICL.

Either way there's clearly a massive difference, in that the IPL is a competition run by those who run cricket, the ICL is run by a television company for their self-serving interests with no concern for the game.

Weaker boards like the WICB and SLC are indeed going to have to kowtow to their players and let them play the IPL over international cricket. That's their own fault for failing to pay them properly. Those who pay their players properly and keep their finances in good state aren't going to have this problem.

 

[Richard]

And this

First priority should be to play for your country, regardless of when the tour was organised.

is an idealistic attitude. No matter how much anyone thinks it should be the case (and that for more players than not it is) it won't be for all.

 

[pasag]

Debateable TSTL, given that something like the IPL would be extraordinarily difficult to organise in the space of a month or two. It was still rushed - probably indeed because of the ICL - but it's unlikely IMO that it was created directly because of the ICL.

Hardly. The ICL came up with the idea, BCCI copied it. Would be pretty naive to think they both independently came up with the same idea and plan at the exact same time.

 

[Richard]

Why? I think it'd been inevitable for quite a while. Graeme White in Wisden talked about the possibility of international inter-city cricket before Twenty20 was even conceived. As I say, I think it's stretching it to think that anyone could have organised an event of the magnitude of the IPL in the space of a month or so (which is what there was between the going public of the ICL and the announcement of the IPL).

There's no way there can ever be any certainty about this, because the official line is that the IPL had been in production since before the ICL was announced. You can either believe this or not believe it, but there's no "it is" this way about it really.

I myself imagine the BCCI (and other boards) were planning the IPL for a while before Zee even decided to rebel against the BCCI's bidding process, but rushed it through because of the ICL, realising they needed to react quickly to it.

 

[four_or_six]

Yeah but it is not right on the part of WICB which already has no money to organize a cricket tour at the time their top cricketers can earn some money. This would have improved the troubled relationship between the player organization and WICB.

People seem to be forgetting the vast majority of the squad who don't have IPL deals and are getting a lot of money for this tour. Surely the majority are all really pleased about this tour happening?

Pay hike for WI players

... the 20 players bound for the England tour next month will receive US$1.5 million between them ...

 

[silentstriker]

Hardly. The ICL came up with the idea, BCCI copied it. Would be pretty naive to think they both independently came up with the same idea and plan at the exact same time.

Nah, there was stuff in the news about it from as early as 2004. It was being planned, but as soon as the ICL was announced, it was fast tracked. That was certainly the primary purpose in creating it.

 

[pasag]

Nah, there was stuff in the news about it from as early as 2004. It was being planned, but as soon as the ICL was announced, it was fast tracked. That was certainly the primary purpose in creating it.

Link?

 

[Steulen]

Weaker boards like the WICB and SLC are indeed going to have to kowtow to their players and let them play the IPL over international cricket. That's their own fault for failing to pay them properly. Those who pay their players properly and keep their finances in good state aren't going to have this problem.

Comments and actions from the likes of Collingwood, Flintoff and Pietersen seem to suggest that if the ECB tried playing hardball with them, they might choose IPL over meaningless Tests (i.e., any Test England plays against a team not called Australia). and the ECB's paycheck is nice and fat, I believe.

 

[Polo23]

And this is an idealistic attitude. No matter how much anyone thinks it should be the case (and that for more players than not it is) it won't be for all.

Hence me saying it SHOULD be the first priority. It's a sad reality that for some (I hope it is the minority, but i'm not so sure) it is not.

 

[Prince EWS]

Comments and actions from the likes of Collingwood, Flintoff and Pietersen seem to suggest that if the ECB tried playing hardball with them, they might choose IPL over meaningless Tests

That's actually not possible.

 

[chaminda_00]

That's actually not possible.

I'm 100% what the rules are, as I think they tired to change them. But I think if a player 'retired' from International cricket and no longer had a national contract. They would be free to play IPL without the approve of the national board, just like domestic players can.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I'm 100% what the rules are, as I think they tired to change them. But I think if a player 'retired' from International cricket and no longer had a national contract. They would be free to play IPL without the approve of the national board, just like domestic players can.

Isn't there the two year rule after retirement, which has been waived for pretty much everyone thus far?

Obviously it's there for those who plan on buggering off Test cricket just to play IPL. Be interesting to see if they'd implement it.

 

[chaminda_00]

Isn't there the two year rule after retirement, which has been waived for pretty much everyone thus far?

Obviously it's there for those who plan on buggering off Test cricket just to play IPL. Be interesting to see if they'd implement it.

I think it might be even three years. Something along the lines of if a player had a contract and retired they need permission to play IPL for the next three years. Though I'm not 100% what the rule actually is.

Would be interesting to see what happens if that is the rule and player quit International cricket due to say a pay dispute and they tried to play IPL.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I think it might be even three years. Something along the lines of if a player had a contract and retired they need permission to play IPL for the next three years. Though I'm not 100% what the rule actually is.

Would be interesting to see what happens if that is the rule and player quit International cricket due to say a pay dispute and they tried to play IPL.

Exactly. I mean, if it were a big star, it'd definitely be in the IPL's interest to let him play. But then, it'd probably put a number of the cricket boards offside with the BCCI and IPL, which, while they have enough money to say, "Whatever, we've got the dosh", you'd surely think that they'd rather stay on the good side of the boards.

 

[chaminda_00]

If more leagues pop up and you could spend the whole year going from one league to another. I don't think it will be that long till players with injury problems, retire in their early 30s to just play domestic Twenty20. Be it IPL or whatever. Could see players doing a Jayasuriya and playing till their 40s, just playing domestic cricket. Would be hard to stop if a player cut ties with their national board. Regardless of what clauses you have for retired players, I don't think you would be able to stop them.

If a player retired a week before the IPL that would be different though.

 

[Richard]

Comments and actions from the likes of Collingwood, Flintoff and Pietersen seem to suggest that if the ECB tried playing hardball with them, they might choose IPL over meaningless Tests (i.e., any Test England plays against a team not called Australia). and the ECB's paycheck is nice and fat, I believe.

I don't dispute one part of that, but I do dispute that most England Test players view anything other than vs Australia as meaningless. I'm finding it hard to get that enthused about the current vs West Indies series (which is most unusual for me) so I'm hardly surprised if there are others doing similar. But most other series', well, that's a different matter.

Anyway, the ECB are well-served to not be playing hardball with the likes of Pietersen, as I've said before now. They'll do best if they try hardest to accommodate the wishes of the players. People bemoan player-power now and bemoan lack-of-player-power not so long ago (even going to the extent of hailing some **** like Kerry Packer as a hero). Well, newsflash - a happy medium is almost impossible, so it's one or the other.

 

[Cruxdude]

People seem to be forgetting the vast majority of the squad who don't have IPL deals and are getting a lot of money for this tour. Surely the majority are all really pleased about this tour happening?

Pay hike for WI players

Guys like gayle, et all earn much more than what they would from th WICB through IPL and also the thing is there is a deal between Bravo and WICB. He wasn't paid any money when he was away with injury. So now he gets to earn some money while the Windies play some test cricket in a land where no one cares about their cricket team.

 

[four_or_six]

Guys like gayle, et all earn much more than what they would from th WICB through IPL and also the thing is there is a deal between Bravo and WICB. He wasn't paid any money when he was away with injury. So now he gets to earn some money while the Windies play some test cricket in a land where no one cares about their cricket team.

I'm not talking about Gayle and Bravo (or Edwards), but the rest of the team who don't play in the IPL. They are all earning a lot more because of this tour than they would do otherwise.

 

[silentstriker]

Link?

Yea, I'll find it, I think it was in a cricinfo magazine or something.

 

[zaremba]

Sure, but it would be nice if players could earn more of it by playing real cricket for their country rather than a disgraceful, over rated, baseball-like abheration for some Indian city they have probably never even been to before..

Very well put. Couldn't agree more.