Ireland For Test Status?

[Uppercut]

I have a British and Irish passports, tbh mainly because some clubs and stuff here wouldn't let you in with an Irish passport as a form of ID. But if someone asked me what nationality I considered myself, I'd definately say Irish rather than Northern Irish.

I'd generally be the same. There's not really a specific Northern Irish identity to many people outside the island. It would be as bizarre as telling a French person you were East English.

 

[James_W]

I'd generally be the same. There's not really a specific Northern Irish identity to many people outside the island. It would be as bizarre as telling a French person you were East English.

East English

Valid point.

I think it's pretty obvious though, for better or for worse, there won't be a united Ireland anytime soon.

Pretty crazy where this thread has gone, from a discussion on whether Ireland should be allowed to play test cricket.

 

[Evermind]

East English

Valid point.

I think it's pretty obvious though, for better or for worse, there won't be a united Ireland anytime soon.

Pretty crazy where this thread has gone, from a discussion on whether Ireland should be allowed to play test cricket.

Like with Pakistan, I'm thinking it must be hard not to involve politics in a discussion concerning Ireland.

 

[Goughy]

It's an interesting little situation. As far as i'm aware the Republic's constitution still stakes claim to the whole island but admits that its rights to the north are on hold until Ireland reunites. This really doesn't go down well with Ulster Protestants. In reality the Dáil in Dublin has absolutely no say in how Northern Ireland is run. Politically, they're completely different countries. Different currency, for starters.

Not really. It changed in 1998.

Originally Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish constitution claimed that the whole island of Ireland formed a single "national territory".

Under the terms of the 1998 Agreement, Eire amended Articles 2 and 3 to state that a united Ireland should only come about with the consent of majorities in both parts of the island of Ireland.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I'd generally be the same. There's not really a specific Northern Irish identity to many people outside the island. It would be as bizarre as telling a French person you were East English.

It's "East Anglian" you regionalist blackguard.

Help, help, I'm being repressesed!!

 

[GIMH]

I wouldn't shout that too loudly if I were you brumby....

 

[Uppercut]

Not really. It changed in 1998.

Originally Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish constitution claimed that the whole island of Ireland formed a single "national territory".

Under the terms of the 1998 Agreement, Eire amended Articles 2 and 3 to state that a united Ireland should only come about with the consent of majorities in both parts of the island of Ireland.

Thanks for that. Apparently i know more about Irish politics 100 years ago than i know about it today

 

[Matt79]

Against. World cricket is already suffering as a result of having to many substandard teams. Health of the current comp. is more important than pipe dreams of expansion.

 

[andruid]

It isn't, though. Ask any Yorkshireman down the years - if they could play international cricket for Yorkshire, they would. They wouldn't give a damn about playing for England.

And at the end of the day, Yorkshire isn't a country and nor is Ireland. Republic Of Ireland is.

Are you saying that the XI Ireland qualified Players wearing Irish Colours are not playing for Ireland!? but for pseudo-county you seem to have created inside your head?

 

[fredfertang]

I've always been a supporter of the concept of an independent Yorkshire state with closed borders but unfortunately the idea never seems to have gained much support east of the Pennines

 

[Richard]

This must be right - there are also provinces in Ireland - Ulster, Munster, Connacht and Leinster - administratively it's totally different from the rest of the UK and I'm not convinced that Northern Ireland isn't by definition a separate country - it's certainly not the same as Scotland or Wales - are there any Constitutional Law experts out there?

I know NI is part of the UK and not Britain (Britain being Wales, England and Scotland). But which is legally binding under what circumstances, I know not.

 

[Richard]

Are you saying that the XI Ireland qualified Players wearing Irish Colours are not playing for Ireland!? but for pseudo-county you seem to have created inside your head?

Only in rugby union and cricket am I aware of any team perporting to represent the in-reality-non-existent "country" that is Ireland.

 

[Richard]

Pretty crazy where this thread has gone, from a discussion on whether Ireland should be allowed to play test cricket.

It's all related. Ireland being or not being independent of the UK (of course the reality is NI is and ROI isn't) is a pretty big matter in the minds of many.

And an oft-misunderstood one by many as well.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I know NI is part of the UK and not Britain (Britain being Wales, England and Scotland). But which is legally binding under what circumstances, I know not.

It is part of Britain; it's not part of Great Britain. Hence The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

 

[Richard]

I'd always understood Britain and Great Britain to be one and the same - with the "Great" being just a little pompous-sounding so often edited out in modern more politically sensitive times.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I'd always understood Britain and Great Britain to be one and the same - with the "Great" being just a little pompous-sounding so often edited out in modern more politically sensitive times.

Well, I can see that, but it just ostensibly means the main island of the British Isles. The Isle of Wight, for instance, isn't part of Great Britain, but it'd be mad to say it wasn't British.

 

[Richard]

"British", I find, tends to be used to mean "of the UK". As "United Kingdomish" is a bit, well, wrong.

"British" in my experience does however tend to mean "of the UK" rather than "of (Great) Britain".

The IOW is, UIMM, still part of the UK?

 

[GIMH]

Hmm, we've had this discussion many times, me, Rich, Brumby, Mitchell is usually about for it too. Might as well throw my hat in the ring once more.

I see Britain and Great Britain as interchangeable terms, ie they both mean the same, but the terms are both often mistakenly used for UK, in the same way that Russia was often used instead of USSR.

I've read up a little (alas only on wiki) and that states that, geographically GB just refers to England, Scotland & Wales, but politically IOW, Orkney, Anglesey, Shetland, Herbrides & isle of Scilly are all part of GB and therefore British.

Isle of Man and Channel Islands are not part of the UK.

I can't find a definition of Britain alone anywhere, so from now on I am writing my nationality as Great British when I have to fill in legal docs (though I am one of these people who doesn't consider himself British but English).

I guess the top and bottom of this is that I sort of agree with Brumby - IOW is British - but I don't agree that Britain and Great Britain have separate meanings as it is something I have never found a distinction of. Alas, I would be happy to read something showing me otherwise.

Interestingly I don't really know what any of this has to do with anything - UK = GB & NI - Ireland = ROI & NI. GB is broken down into two cricket teams; England and Wales play as one team. Scotland has its own team. NI & ROI play as one team, similar to how England and Wales do.

 

[Matt79]

Only in rugby union and cricket am I aware of any team perporting to represent the in-reality-non-existent "country" that is Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland isn't a real country?

 

[GIMH]

No, he's saying that Ireland isn't a country, because it consists of ROI + NI