The relevance of Bond today

[Redbacks]

traditional face-save measure posters of doubtable qualty make on the boards.

evidence suggest you fill this criteria :idea:

 

[Redbacks]

Not surprising.

more accounts than a bank

 

[Craig]

more accounts than a bank

Human cloning is on the increase it seems.

 

[Flem274*]

Bingo.

And Flem - Mills does have a floppy wrist and has had a dodgy action for years. If you can't see that, you're myopic.

I wasn't disagreeing, but you should have blatantly called him a chucker..

 

[trapol]

You should all know by now that Richard gives his opinion and believes that he is the guru of all things cricket and that you must simply believe everything he says as Gospel.

The truth is Bond NEVER said he was going to retire from test cricket and at best he said that he may have to consider it as he cant keep going on getting injured all the time

Once he was with the ICL, and the way NZC **** on him, why would he then tear up his ICL contract and come back. His, reputed (notice that Richard? i added reputed so that people wont think i am speaking the truth when im not sure) US$700k contract mean that he will return if and when he wants.

BTW J Oram has also said that he is sick of getting injured all time and that he may have to either give away Test cricket or bowling. That doesnt mean that he will for certain Richard

 

[martin88]

Cricinfo - Bond revisits his stance on comeback

Great.

 

[Uppercut]

Whether Bond would've made a difference had he played is one question; whether Bond would've played, under any circumstances (ie, ICL or no ICL), is another. The former you'd have to go some to answer aught but "yes he would"; the latter you need to remember, as I've repeated about 100 times, that Bond had already decided to retire from Tests before he received the ICL offer. So no, Bond was never, ever going to play another Test after South Africa in 2007/08.

He's backtracked on that stance- he wants to continue playing all forms now because, "even though it's the hardest cricket, it's the most rewarding".

Anyway, in this series perhaps not. Might have blasted few the tail on day one and set New Zealand up for a draw, but the pitches have all been pretty flat so he would struggle to make a massive impact anyway.

 

[Matt79]

SPECTRE are still out there. James Bond remains as vital to our safety as ever.

 

[Craig]

SPECTRE are still out there. James Bond remains as vital to our safety as ever.

Best thing said in this thread.

 

[Richard]

Thanks for the link. However please refer to the following quote from that article.



I would take the word of Players Association anyday over a random TV report. Hence my stance that nowhere Bond explicitly stated he wanted to retire from Test cricket stands.

OK - how often does a Players Association rep (or someone else along those lines) come-out with a comment which essentially says "no decision has yet been reached" in response to a newspaper article about a player retiring, then shortly afterwards the player announces his retirement?

Quite often.

 

[Richard]

He was sold down the river by NZ, he was told that it would be fine and as he states in the stuff.nz interview he will not break a contract that is still running smoothly. I think he was the victim of being a posterchild for the ICL and when the ICL were told they were rebels and couldn't play he was already in far too deep.

So in short he had no avenue to get out of his ICL contract?

 

[Richard]

Again, the lack of sense in your posts are visible, when you are trying to defend your blunder.

Right then, there's no sense in trying to engage people who are sufficiently keen on manufacturing errors (the language in the above quote makes the intentions only too obvious) that they'll take their view of the meaning of posts over that of the poster themselves. So I'm not going to be bothering here.

"He will retire from Test Cricket, but he has not stated so ever". That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Not surprising that no-one made it then. Bond intended to retire from Tests in 2007/08, did not because of how circumstances unfolded, and now (having missed all international cricket for a little while) has, it seems, altered that intention.

And regarding usage of smileys, you are just trying to hide your frustration at not being able to put up a sensible and coherent argument, and resorting to the traditional face-save measure that posters of doubtable qualty make on the boards. I hope you don't fit into that category.

Err... no, I'm not. I've noted myself many times that use of the Laugh smiley excessively is generally an indicator of poor-quality posters. As I've also noted before, one idiotic comment is best replied to with another.

 

[Richard]

He's backtracked on that stance- he wants to continue playing all forms now because, "even though it's the hardest cricket, it's the most rewarding".

Yeah, that's essentially what I've said in the post above. Had the ICL not come a-calling, his Test career would've been finished at the end of 2007. Now it has and he's been out of international cricket for a while, it actually appears as though, if he returns to international cricket, he's going to call-off his planned Test retirement.

 

[Richard]

You should all know by now that Richard gives his opinion and believes that he is the guru of all things cricket and that you must simply believe everything he says as Gospel.

The truth is Bond NEVER said he was going to retire from test cricket and at best he said that he may have to consider it as he cant keep going on getting injured all the time

I've given some fairly obvious truths (things that were only fairly obvious, rather than absolutely crystal-clear) about the Bond-Test-retirement situation. Until now, no-one on CW has ever seriously disputed that Bond intended to retire from Test cricket after the 2007/08 tour of South Africa.

Once he was with the ICL, and the way NZC **** on him, why would he then tear up his ICL contract and come back. His, reputed (notice that Richard? i added reputed so that people wont think i am speaking the truth when im not sure) US$700k contract mean that he will return if and when he wants.

BTW J Oram has also said that he is sick of getting injured all time and that he may have to either give away Test cricket or bowling. That doesnt mean that he will for certain Richard

It might well do. That too has been mooted before now.

 

[Athlai]

So in short he had no avenue to get out of his ICL contract?

Not without losing considerable face and bringing on much legal strife.

 

[SM*]

Bonds a ****.

He got shafted yes, but he's still a ****.

He turned nasty against NZ cricket and it's players, and has fired bullets all around the show.

Keep playing for Canterbury, nothing higher

 

[oitoitoi]

Bonds a ****.

He got shafted yes, but he's still a ****.

He turned nasty against NZ cricket and it's players, and has fired bullets all around the show.

Can you blame him? Best player NZ have produced since Hadlee, due to him first time in years they're a force in test cricket, then they screw him over for Indian money. Also take into account the stuff he's gone thorugh with injuries, he took a massive risk with that back operation where they grafted bone from his lower back to upper back to strengthen it and this is how he's repaid?

 

[Flem274*]

Can you blame him? Best player NZ have produced since Hadlee, due to him first time in years they're a force in test cricket, then they screw him over for Indian money. Also take into account the stuff he's gone thorugh with injuries, he took a massive risk with that back operation where they grafted bone from his lower back to upper back to strengthen it and this is how he's repaid?

Heh, he played 13 tests overall. Probably less if you discount all the tests his back didn't make it through, so he isn't the be all/end all of 1999 to 2005, however SM went way OTT there.

 

[Richard]

Can you blame him? Best player NZ have produced since Hadlee, due to him first time in years they're a force in test cricket, then they screw him over for Indian money.

Not really TBH. Bond played only a handful of genuine Tests - 2 in Australia (in which he did diabolically); 2 at home to India (in which he like all seam bowlers took incredibly cheap wickets and which NZ won easily); 2 in Sri Lanka (in which he did moderately though he was unlucky and in which NZ fluked a draw thanks to rain); and 2 in West Indies. Only in the lattermost could he really be said to have made a difference, though it was indeed quite some difference - he helped them win in the Caribbean for the first time ever.

Also they didn't exactly screw him over for Indian money - he was the one taking the Indian money (ie, the ICL) but NZC simply buggered things up completely by not understanding that they'd not be able to pick players who played in the ICL. So they told him something that was untrue.

 

[Furball]

So in short he had no avenue to get out of his ICL contract?

He could have, quite easily.

However, given that he was in his 30s, with a long list of injuries, with the chance to make extremely good money (I can't imagine that being a New Zealand cricketer is terribly lucrative), he did what was best for him.