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[cover drive man]

Kane was always known, by me anyway as the undertakers brother, never anything more tbh, but he was always good to watch but he was never destined for much.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Got bored and wrote an article speculating about WrestleMania XXVI. Thoughts?

An Early Look At WrestleMania XXVI: Where Will The WWE Be In A Year's Time?

Only thing I forgot to put on was a Divas match, but TBH it'd be better without one.

 

[masterblaster]

That's a great article Barney and a great Wrestlemania card. Some things I would do, and others I wouldn't but overall it's a great looking card.

I wouldn't put Edge and Christian together as a tag team because it would just mean that both of them are going back to the mid card. I'd actually have Edge vs Christian at Wrestlemania if they hold off on their feud over the next year.

Chris Jericho vs Evan Bourne could be an awesome match up and it would be fantastic to see. However I can see Chris Jericho taking on The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. That leads to Cena vs Undertaker. I can't see Undertaker battling for a championship again at Wrestlemania but I can definitely see Undertaker taking on Jericho.

I really like the idea of a Triple H vs Shawn Michaels retirement match much like Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair was done back in Wrestlemania 24. But wouldn't you want to put over a young guy to take Shawn Michaels out of WWE? But if they can't find that guy then Triple H vs Shawn Michaels makes sense.

My card would probably be:

MITB: Kennedy, Mysterio, Shelton, Jeff Hardy, MVP, John Morrison, Umaga, Brian Kendrick

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge vs Christian

WWE Championship: Randy Orton vs John Cena

Chris Jericho vs The Undertaker

Jack Swagger vs Kurt Angle

Intercontinental Championship Match: CM Punk vs Evan Bourne vs William Regal

WWE Tag Team Championship Match: Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase vs Harry Smith and Tyson Kidd

Retirement Match: Triple H vs Shawn Michaels

 

[honestbharani]

That's a great article Barney and a great Wrestlemania card. Some things I would do, and others I wouldn't but overall it's a great looking card.

I wouldn't put Edge and Christian together as a tag team because it would just mean that both of them are going back to the mid card. I'd actually have Edge vs Christian at Wrestlemania if they hold off on their feud over the next year.

Chris Jericho vs Evan Bourne could be an awesome match up and it would be fantastic to see. However I can see Chris Jericho taking on The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. That leads to Cena vs Undertaker. I can't see Undertaker battling for a championship again at Wrestlemania but I can definitely see Undertaker taking on Jericho.

I really like the idea of a Triple H vs Shawn Michaels retirement match much like Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair was done back in Wrestlemania 24. But wouldn't you want to put over a young guy to take Shawn Michaels out of WWE? But if they can't find that guy then Triple H vs Shawn Michaels makes sense.

My card would probably be:

MITB: Kennedy, Mysterio, Shelton, Jeff Hardy, MVP, John Morrison, Umaga, Brian Kendrick

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge vs Christian

WWE Championship: Randy Orton vs John Cena

Chris Jericho vs The Undertaker

Jack Swagger vs Kurt Angle

Intercontinental Championship Match: CM Punk vs Evan Bourne vs William Regal

WWE Tag Team Championship Match: Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase vs Harry Smith and Tyson Kidd

Retirement Match: Triple H vs Shawn Michaels

I don understand why legends have to lose their last match.... Shawn has already put over a number of guys and I don't see anything wrong in him winning his last match and retiring... He is a face and it would make a lot of sense for a face to retire with a win... I expect him to defeat someone he has not defeated much and then retire in that fashion...


The young guys can be put over in the upcoming PPVs if need be....

 

[masterblaster]

I don understand why legends have to lose their last match.... Shawn has already put over a number of guys and I don't see anything wrong in him winning his last match and retiring... He is a face and it would make a lot of sense for a face to retire with a win... I expect him to defeat someone he has not defeated much and then retire in that fashion...

The young guys can be put over in the upcoming PPVs if need be....

It's called passing the torch and it's important to continue to do service to the wrestling business even after you retire. In this case Shawn wouldn't put over anybody anyway since he'd probably face Triple H in a retirement match similar to how Ric Flair faced Shawn Michaels.

If a legend like Ric Flair could lose on the way out there's no reason why Shawn Michaels can't do the same thing.

 

[Barney Rubble]

That's a great article Barney and a great Wrestlemania card. Some things I would do, and others I wouldn't but overall it's a great looking card.

I wouldn't put Edge and Christian together as a tag team because it would just mean that both of them are going back to the mid card. I'd actually have Edge vs Christian at Wrestlemania if they hold off on their feud over the next year.

Chris Jericho vs Evan Bourne could be an awesome match up and it would be fantastic to see. However I can see Chris Jericho taking on The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. That leads to Cena vs Undertaker. I can't see Undertaker battling for a championship again at Wrestlemania but I can definitely see Undertaker taking on Jericho.

I really like the idea of a Triple H vs Shawn Michaels retirement match much like Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair was done back in Wrestlemania 24. But wouldn't you want to put over a young guy to take Shawn Michaels out of WWE? But if they can't find that guy then Triple H vs Shawn Michaels makes sense.

My card would probably be:

MITB: Kennedy, Mysterio, Shelton, Jeff Hardy, MVP, John Morrison, Umaga, Brian Kendrick

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge vs Christian

WWE Championship: Randy Orton vs John Cena

Chris Jericho vs The Undertaker

Jack Swagger vs Kurt Angle

Intercontinental Championship Match: CM Punk vs Evan Bourne vs William Regal

WWE Tag Team Championship Match: Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase vs Harry Smith and Tyson Kidd

Retirement Match: Triple H vs Shawn Michaels

Yeah, part of it wasn't so much what I'd do as what I think WWE might do. As much as Edge vs Christian at WM would be amazing, after Christian's failure to win MITB despite being the most over guy in the match I'm starting to think Vince has it in for him.

I thought about Swagger vs Angle, but I thought it might be better to wait until Swagger is fully established. The thinking behind HHH vs HBK is that the last time Triple H was in a WrestleMania match that wasn't a title match was a very long time ago - Hunter's ego might get in the way of making that a straight-up Retirement Match.

Either way, thanks for reading!

 

[GIMH]

Was a good read Matt. The only problem with articles like these is that you just know there will be unforeseen changes that will throw your predictions! Will be interesting to look back in a year's time, though

 

[masterblaster]

Draft is on tomorrow on Raw. What's the point of a draft when everyone has been on every show?

I think I can predict that Triple H is ending up back on Raw and Cena is going to Smackdown. I don't really think the other changes will make much of a difference.

 

[GIMH]

I've enjoyed the way they've been mixing up the shows, though presumably that's just been because of Mania. I'd expect everything to settle down.

And yeah, one way or another Triple H will end up on the same show as Orton, if that means HHH to raw then Cena will obviously go the other way.

My big hope is that Christian is moved from ECW, not too fussed which show he's moved onto as long as it happens

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

If Christian goes anywhere, hopefully it is SD! I'm not a massive fan of the guy (I will never buy him as a World Champ), but he'll get lost in the shuffle on Raw.

 

[masterblaster]

If Christian goes anywhere, hopefully it is SD! I'm not a massive fan of the guy (I will never buy him as a World Champ), but he'll get lost in the shuffle on Raw.

He just needs the opportunity. Now granted I'm a big Christian fan but I firmly believe that all he needs is the chance. He's a better worker than 99% of the WWE roster and he's a better talker than most of the WWE roster as well. I was thoroughly impressed with his run as World Heavyweight Champion in TNA and he carried that company really well with some great performances on the mic and in the ring.

 

[honestbharani]

It's called passing the torch and it's important to continue to do service to the wrestling business even after you retire. In this case Shawn wouldn't put over anybody anyway since he'd probably face Triple H in a retirement match similar to how Ric Flair faced Shawn Michaels.

If a legend like Ric Flair could lose on the way out there's no reason why Shawn Michaels can't do the same thing.

But Ric Flair was an OBVIOUSLY spent force inside the ring.. Not Shawn, he looks like he can take down even the best, even today.. The man has hardly missed a beat since coming back in 2002... And he is not that old that it looks bad if he wins... Passing the torch can happen well before his last match too... As I said, wins/losses are taken way too seriously by the IWC... Most common fans don't think of stats and how much a guy has won/lost before they decide whether he can win his current match. It is only how well the guy is put over in THAT match that counts..


Most general WWE fans don't look at stats before deciding whether a guy can win.. I mean, it is not cricket, is it?

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Most general WWE fans don't look at stats before deciding whether a guy can win.. I mean, it is not cricket, is it?

Richard doesn't look at stats (or logic) to judge someone. Closet WWE fan?

 

[masterblaster]

But Ric Flair was an OBVIOUSLY spent force inside the ring.. Not Shawn, he looks like he can take down even the best, even today.. The man has hardly missed a beat since coming back in 2002... And he is not that old that it looks bad if he wins... Passing the torch can happen well before his last match too... As I said, wins/losses are taken way too seriously by the IWC... Most common fans don't think of stats and how much a guy has won/lost before they decide whether he can win his current match. It is only how well the guy is put over in THAT match that counts..

Most general WWE fans don't look at stats before deciding whether a guy can win.. I mean, it is not cricket, is it?

This post doesn't make much sense. Let me just clarify, I do think Shawn Michaels is great and I'm a fan of his. I've always enjoyed watching Shawn Michaels perform and it will be sad to see him retire.

But that's the general stipulation of retirement matches isn't it? Barney and I were discussing possible Wrestlemania 26 cards and he brought up the possibility of a retirement match against Hunter.

Now in retirement matches it generally goes that if you lose, you retire. Seeing as Hunter isn't retiring anytime soon, Shawn fits this category. If Hunter and Shawn were to have a retirement match where the loser retires, it's pretty obvious like with what happened with Ric Flair last year that Shawn would lose that particular match.

Nothing to do with wins and losses, nothing to do with statistics. It's just to further the retirement angle and all I'm saying is that I can see WWE going down a similar path with Shawn as they did with Ric Flair.

 

[Barney Rubble]

I've also done a preview of tonight's draft, which I wrote after last week's Raw and ECW shows. Here it is.

2009 WWE Draft Preview: WWE Shakes Things Up Again With Its Annual Draft

I think Cena to SmackDown is a fairly logical call in hindsight, wish I'd put that down on there.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Right guys, before the show's even finished ( ), here's my 2009 WWE Draft Review.

WWE Draft 2009 Review: Who Went Where From Raw, SmackDown and ECW

Let me know what you think - was fairly pleased with the Draft overall, but not overly shocked by anything.

 

[duffer]

Going by the results looks like RAW won the draft comfortably. Rey Rey returning home is nice and Jericho is a solid pickup but unless Punk can get himself majorly over it's a wash compared to losing Triple H and MVP(who can get over huge IMO).

The deadwood exchange of Big Show for Kane and a new scrub in the Miz so that Morrison(who has just about everything in his locker) can finally get his singles push were pretty non eventful for me.

 

[honestbharani]

This post doesn't make much sense. Let me just clarify, I do think Shawn Michaels is great and I'm a fan of his. I've always enjoyed watching Shawn Michaels perform and it will be sad to see him retire.

But that's the general stipulation of retirement matches isn't it? Barney and I were discussing possible Wrestlemania 26 cards and he brought up the possibility of a retirement match against Hunter.

Now in retirement matches it generally goes that if you lose, you retire. Seeing as Hunter isn't retiring anytime soon, Shawn fits this category. If Hunter and Shawn were to have a retirement match where the loser retires, it's pretty obvious like with what happened with Ric Flair last year that Shawn would lose that particular match.

Nothing to do with wins and losses, nothing to do with statistics. It's just to further the retirement angle and all I'm saying is that I can see WWE going down a similar path with Shawn as they did with Ric Flair.

If the stipulation is that he retires if he loses, it makes sense. But if it isn't and it is juz plainly announced as his last match, I dont see why he HAS to lose... I am talking in general here, this isn't even about Michaels...


You have a guy who is still looking in good enough shape to defeat the main guys.. He is a legend and it is his retirement match. What is wrong with him bowing out with a win? or even a title? And as far as putting over others is concerned, you can put over guys without having to lose to them.. Bret put over Austin in SS back in 96 even though Bret was the guy who won... Taker put over HBK in this years' Mania... I really don't understand why these wins/losses are treated so seriously... It is a make believe world... The wins/losses seriously do NOT count.. Otherwise, Goldberg will be the greatest of all time...

 

[Xuhaib]

If the stipulation is that he retires if he loses, it makes sense. But if it isn't and it is juz plainly announced as his last match, I dont see why he HAS to lose... I am talking in general here, this isn't even about Michaels...


You have a guy who is still looking in good enough shape to defeat the main guys.. He is a legend and it is his retirement match. What is wrong with him bowing out with a win? or even a title? And as far as putting over others is concerned, you can put over guys without having to lose to them.. Bret put over Austin in SS back in 96 even though Bret was the guy who won... Taker put over HBK in this years' Mania... I really don't understand why these wins/losses are treated so seriously... It is a make believe world... The wins/losses seriously do NOT count.. Otherwise, Goldberg will be the greatest of all time...

He probabley thinks he is though I agree with you unless your name is Bret Hart wrestlers don't take this win/loss stuff too seriously.

 

[masterblaster]

Going by the results looks like RAW won the draft comfortably. Rey Rey returning home is nice and Jericho is a solid pickup but unless Punk can get himself majorly over it's a wash compared to losing Triple H and MVP(who can get over huge IMO).

The deadwood exchange of Big Show for Kane and a new scrub in the Miz so that Morrison(who has just about everything in his locker) can finally get his singles push were pretty non eventful for me.

Chris Jericho going to Smackdown was the draft pick of the night for me. There are some great potential matches thanks to this move. Chris Jericho vs The Undertaker is a huge match up that has to happen.

Chris Jericho vs Edge could be very entertaining too and of course Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio will deliver too. Great move this one. Plus it gets Chris off whatever show Hunter is on so he can have some of that spotlight to himself.

Smackdown looks like the show to watch along with ECW for me. Raw looks decidedly weaker with a main event mix of Hunter, Orton, Batista and Cena which will just induce boredom in a lot of fans. That main event mix is so predictable it's boring.

Compare that to Smackdown you have Edge, Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho and The Undertaker along with people like Kane, Shelton Benjamin and CM Punk making up the mid card. That's an exciting show right there.

Raw only has two decent shining lights now and they are Matt Hardy and MVP. But sadly for them, they'll get lost in the shuffle much like Rey Mysterio and Kane were last year when they got drafted to Raw.

ECW definitely could've used a couple of draft picks, but it doesn't hurt them to have Kozlov there as a big guy who beats up jobbers like Ricky Ortiz. As long as he doesn't become ECW Champion it's fine with me. Looking at ECW it seems that Swagger, Christian and Bourne are the kings on that brand and will be carrying that brand on their backs.

Overall it may appear that Raw won the draft, but Smackdown got the better draft picks in my opinion.