Woodster
International Captain
I appreciate that, but a player of his quality should be gracing the international stage in some format, albeit just in ODI's.
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*Official* England in West Indies
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Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Interestingly enough, I read a little while back and saw on a TV show (one of those lunch break specials, or perhaps an MCC masterclass video) that there is a theory that swing could be partially reliant on a layer of water vapour which lies above the pitch. Presumably, this would be swing after pitching, but is an important point nonetheless.
Woodster
International Captain
Swing is such a fickle thing, and at times there seems no logical explanation as why to the ball begins swinging, or sometimes doesn't swing, other times more than normal. There are a number of contributory factors that all need to come together. I heard about the water vapour above the pitch also.
Weather conditions, state of the ball, atmosphere, wrist position, are a few of the factors affecting swing.
Weather conditions, state of the ball, atmosphere, wrist position, are a few of the factors affecting swing.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Bowling action too. Many attribute such swing to manipulation of wrist position but I have a video and will email you a few snaps, if you wish, of deliberately closing off my action in order to swing it in to the right hander (I am left arm over), having my wrist still face the outswing position and the ball swing in.
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Microturbulence.
In dry, warm conditions, air currents (microturbulence) rise from the surface and disturb the atmosphere, disrupting swing. In overcast or damp weather this turbulence stops, presenting a clean atmosphere and allowing the swing to occur.
In dry, warm conditions, air currents (microturbulence) rise from the surface and disturb the atmosphere, disrupting swing. In overcast or damp weather this turbulence stops, presenting a clean atmosphere and allowing the swing to occur.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Thanks for that Einstein
Honestly though, thanks a lot, I am quite fascinated in such stuff.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
God damnnnnnnnn, look at those numbers.
I actually have seen him bowl many times. He is your typical English swing bowler that would get smoked on a flat deck.
With Jimmy, Sidebottom (likely to get his fitness back soon) & Hoggard around going down to him really is out of the questionf for me. But if they picked Pattinson ya never know....
One thing we should look at with those figures is which years which divison 1 or 2...
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Has appeared more of a seam/accuracy than swing bowler on the few occasions I have watched him bowl but I could be mistaken.
Woodster
International Captain
Yes if you could e-mail me those, just so I can get a full picture on how this was attained. I do think certain actions are more prone to swinging the ball in certain directions, but I believe the position of the wrist crucial in swinging it the other way, with orthodox swing.
Shoggz
School Boy/Girl Captain
As an England fan and a certified pessimist (two natural bedfellows!) I really cannot see when the next test series victory is going to materialise..
Once we've lost the current rubber, we have a return in Blighty with one test at Lords and one at Chester-le-Street. Let's be honest, the Lords pitch (even early in the season) has been as flat as a shirt front for some years.. indeed England haven't won the first test of a series there since Bangladesh in 2005, and an arguably weaker West Indies earned a comfortable enough draw at 'the home of cricket' back in 2007.
So, it will all depend upon what we get at Durham. If England don't win this match, then realistically with Australia home and South Africa away it will be 2010 before we have a genuine chance of a series win, with the visit of Bangladesh.
Once we've lost the current rubber, we have a return in Blighty with one test at Lords and one at Chester-le-Street. Let's be honest, the Lords pitch (even early in the season) has been as flat as a shirt front for some years.. indeed England haven't won the first test of a series there since Bangladesh in 2005, and an arguably weaker West Indies earned a comfortable enough draw at 'the home of cricket' back in 2007.
So, it will all depend upon what we get at Durham. If England don't win this match, then realistically with Australia home and South Africa away it will be 2010 before we have a genuine chance of a series win, with the visit of Bangladesh.
ozone
First Class Debutant
Gees, you weren't lieing about being a pessimist.
Woodster
International Captain
Just to touch on the Batty selection. I think once Batty had been selected for England Lions, and Patel's consequent de-selection, that the Worcester spinner is the only viable option. He has been preparing for, and playing, in competitive cricket recently, at a decent standard, surely England would not consider another English spinner with only some indoor nets behind him.
The debate cannot be his call-up to the national side, but whether he should have been selected for England Lions in the first place ?
It is clear we need a spinner for the ODI's, should we not have required one, I would have hoped a certain Graham Napier might have received a phone call.
The debate cannot be his call-up to the national side, but whether he should have been selected for England Lions in the first place ?
It is clear we need a spinner for the ODI's, should we not have required one, I would have hoped a certain Graham Napier might have received a phone call.
Shoggz
School Boy/Girl Captain
A realist though surely?
Woodster
International Captain
A series at home to WI at the start of our season surely represents a good chance for a series victory. They have played very well in this series so far, and they are developing as a team, however, the green pitches in early season England represent a much tougher assignment for their batsmen (except Shiv) than what they are currently batting on.A realist though surely?
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Why not?
You rarely see fielders standing around with nothing to do for the duration of a 50-over game and 1s could easily be turned into 2s frequently over the course of the innings.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Whats the address?
ozone
First Class Debutant
Even being pessimistic, I can't see us losing to the WI at home and we'll prepare results pitches so no money on the draw. Although that said I couldn't see us losing to WI away either. Despite how bad we've been, the Ashes isn't a lost cause yet either, the Aussies aren't the world beaters they were, although I am struggling to see the how we can win in SA.A realist though surely?
Woodster
International Captain
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Once maybe twice a game, but not 15-20 times.Why not?
You rarely see fielders standing around with nothing to do for the duration of a 50-over game and 1s could easily be turned into 2s frequently over the course of the innings.
Good fielding is important but its run saving values are often overstated, unless regarding the old days of having an 8 foot tall fast bowler patrol the boundary and giving up 4s.
Patel would not be a boundary rider. He would be at cover, midwicket, mid on, mid off, square leg etc. He isnt going to cost many runs anywhere. It just doesnt happen like people think.
A guy like Jonty Rhodes lifted his team and gave his bowlers confidence and inspiration but he never saved 20 runs a game like some people used to suggest. It just wasnt true.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
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