Shootout in Lahore

[The Sean]

If there's a God, it's safe to say he's most certainly not on the side of the terrorists.

Just a big cricket fan IMO.

Well we already know that - he did play 52 Tests for Australia and then serve as a selector and administrator, after all.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Well we already know that - he did play 52 Tests for Australia and then serve as a selector and administrator, after all.

NO! He had a long flowing beard and could never be given out without incurring his wrath

 

[sirdj]

And you know all this while living in Sydney. The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.

As Evermind has said.......the agenda for both these idiots are the same and you cannot selective fight a particular group of terrorism and let another roam free to operate.

Yes I agree Pakistan is facing these problems because of their involvement in WoT but Pakistan's involvement is unpopular not because majority supports these groups bur more because this involvement has made the country extremely insecure and unsafe. Majority of the country does not support these bastards.

I am pretty sure that you as any other sane person will want that ALL these terrorist need to be eliminated right away. Then why really strong action has not been taken all this while?? The only reason one can see is that by taking strong action the Govt. could have a public opinion crisis and a civil war at hand and maybe a coup.

Pakistan army and govt is doing its level best to neutralize their threat but as I have mentioned before that this is not an easy task and it could take years infact Lahore type attack shows that these groups have started feeling vulnerable and would go on to do acts that can do maximum damage to the state.

This is a fight for the existence of Pakistan, do you really believe that the Govt/the army is fighting them on such a high priority level as should be a fight for survival? For instance if you were fighting another country like lets say India, would this be adequate?

 

[pup11]

Actually, if they supported the terrorists (even implicitly) beforehand, this won't make much difference. They'll simply convince themselves it was an Indian/Western conspiracy.

This is so true, I think this constant state of denial is what has lead Pakistan into this predicament, the first thing they need to do accept that they have a problem, and they need to get rid of it.

Though constantly turning their backs to a worrying problem like this hasn't helped, the Pakistani civil government seems to have their hands tied on several issues, and if they are unable to solve this problem on their own, then taking help from US or the neighbouring countries should be the way to go.

I hope, some action against these terrorist soon takes place, because it would be a shame to see the innocent Pakistani people and the country suffer like this, with no fault of their own, as these terrorist groups growing in strength are not only a worry for Pakistan, but their existence is also an equally big concern for the rest of the world.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

I don't think the driver of the bus that the Sri Lankan cricketers were in is getting anywhere near enough credit as what he deserves.

Had the guts to get off the floor, get in his driver's seat (and become a massive target) and drive the Sri Lankan team out of harms way. Terrific effort.

I shutter to think what would've happened had he been shot down or not even attempted to have done what he did (not that you would've blamed him) and as a result of that see the terrorists be able to get onto the bus.

 

[wpdavid]

I don't think the driver of the bus that the Sri Lankan cricketers were in is getting anywhere near enough credit as what he deserves.

Had the guts to get off the floor, get in his driver's seat (and become a massive target) and drive the Sri Lankan team out of harms way. Terrific effort.

I shutter to think what would've happened had he been shot down or not even attempted to have done what he did (not that you would've blamed him) and as a result of that see the terrorists be able to get onto the bus.

I think it's gradually happening, as on the previous page of this thread.

I read Sangakarra's account on cricinfo this morning with mounting degrees of astonishment, terror and gratitude that somehow these guys survived. 'Miracle' is a massively over-used word but it seems appropriate here.

 

[pskov]

Chris Broad is on Sky News now absolutely ripping into the security effort. He essentially said that as soon as the shooting started most of the Pakistani police ran off to save themselves, one officer jumped into the coach to hide with the team and eventually another policeman heard the shouts and got in to drive the coach to safety.

 

[Majin]

Yeah just came here after reading Sanga's account of things, had no idea the situation got as sketchy as it did. Rocket Launchers, wtf man seriously? Something or someone out there is definitely on the Sri Lankan's side. Really is an amazing story. And fair play to Sanga for writing up such a detailed account of the events and also showing his empathy to the Pakistani populace. Such a short time since the whole thing happened but still wrote this awesome article, such a gun.

 

[bagapath]

imagine what if the terrorists' mission was to take the team hostage and kill them one by one... and imagine the number of days, nay weeks, they could've got on prime time tv all over the world negotiating for whatever nonsense they want holding a foreign sporting team to ransom... i really shudder to think the number of favors the world might have had to do in that case including releasing terrorists from prisons to save the innocent cricketers from getting getting killed. i am a non believer. so i just think the driver needs to be thanked for such a brilliant act of bravery that has saved the world from an even greater tragedy than what happened.

 

[four_or_six]

Chris Broad is on Sky News now absolutely ripping into the security effort. He essentially said that as soon as the shooting started most of the Pakistani police ran off to save themselves, one officer jumped into the coach to hide with the team and eventually another policeman heard the shouts and got in to drive the coach to safety.

cricinfo link

It does seem like the guys in the minibus, including the poor driver who lost his life, weren't being looked after like they should be. At least the coach had the look of being substantial, to the untrained eye the minibus certainly didn't look like 'presidential style security'.

It's appalling if it turns out to be true that he had raised concerns earlier in the tour to the ICC and it wasn't acted on properly, either by themselves or the PCB if it was passed on.

 

[funnygirl]

imagine what if the terrorists' mission was to take the team hostage and kill them one by one... and imagine the number of days, nay weeks, they could've got on prime time tv all over the world negotiating for whatever nonsense they want holding a foreign sporting team to ransom... i really shudder to think the number of favors the world might have had to do in that case including releasing terrorists from prisons to save the innocent cricketers from getting getting killed. i am a non believer. so i just think the driver needs to be thanked for such a brilliant act of bravery that has saved the world from an even greater tragedy than what happened.

I don't think the idea was for kidnapping .Just massive destruction.They threw greanades and RPGs to the bus .And luckily it went under the bus and by God's grace it didn't explode .They were looking for the ultimate elimination. The thought of what would have been is frightening .

 

[funnygirl]

And you know all this while living in Sydney. The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.Yes I agree Pakistan is facing these problems because of their involvement in WoT but Pakistan's involvement is unpopular not because majority supports these groups bur more because this involvement has made the country extremely insecure and unsafe. Majority of the country does not support these bastards.

Pakistan army and govt is doing its level best to neutralize their threat but as I have mentioned before that this is not an easy task and it could take years infact Lahore type attack shows that these groups have started feeling vulnerable and would go on to do acts that can do maximum damage to the state.

So the sympathies are there for Kashmiri freedom fighters inside pakistan,right ? That tells every thing and how these terrorists have reached the strength they are in .

 

[Evermind]

Kashmiri freedom fighters

You mean "****ing worthless terrorists", right? Because that's what they are.

I can't believe they call themselves "freedom fighters". It is as cruelly cynical as "Arbeit Macht Frei" on the Auschwitz gate.

Agreed with your post, BTW. It's that attitude that has got Pakistan where it is now.

 

[Evermind]

Actually, if they supported the terrorists (even implicitly) beforehand, this won't make much difference. They'll simply convince themselves it was an Indian/Western conspiracy.

Yeah, after the Mumbai attacks, a Pak official came out saying they were carried out by the "Hindu Zionists". It would be hilarious if it weren't so insanely delusional.

 

[Xuhaib]

As Evermind has said.......the agenda for both these idiots are the same and you cannot selective fight a particular group of terrorism and let another roam free to operate.

The agenda is totally different for both these factions with two completely different enemies. One group sees India as its enemy and are trying to liberate the Kasmiris from the Indian army oppression. The other sees Pakistan as the enemy for their role in WoT and are looking to destabilize the country and to get their revenge on the people who were majorly responsible for them getting toppled in Afghanistan.

The media has labelled all these groups under the same blanket and given the name Islamic terrorist thus making it seem as they are all working towards the same goal even though the reality is much different. However I do agree the line is getting blurred more and more, after the Mumbai bombings both these groups are under equal pressure and it is possible that they might have started coordinating their activities together and the Lahore attack could be one of those cases.

I am pretty sure that you as any other sane person will want that ALL these terrorist need to be eliminated right away. Then why really strong action has not been taken all this while?? The only reason one can see is that by taking strong action the Govt. could have a public opinion crisis and a civil war at hand and maybe a coup.


This is a fight for the existence of Pakistan, do you really believe that the Govt/the army is fighting them on such a high priority level as should be a fight for survival? For instance if you were fighting another country like lets say India, would this be adequate?
Now where you have got this feeling that no strong action is been taken against them, as I had mentioned in my previous post that its not easy to get rid of these factions its going to be long hard struggle ,each and every Pakistani has to be prepared for it. Go and pick up any newspaper you can find out how Pakistan army jawans are laying down their lives every day just to get rid of this menace.

It is important to note that Pakistan defense forces have been designed and trained to tackle a conventional war with India . The gurella style warfare which these militants brings is something new for our forces and is not easy to counter as US can vouch for with their stay in Afghanistan.

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[Sanz]

couldn't agree more.. if you go back and look at how these terriorsts groups such as taliban came.. u will see this was the the main strategy that they used.. my couson was in the party of Izbe Islami who was/is run by Gulbeudeen Hikmatyar.. he used from the same tactics to attract these young immigrant afghans in to his group during Russian invasion back in 1980s in peshawar.. back then they were supported by pakistani government and U.S...

my couson went to their group and went to the war.. against Russians.. and after they defeat of Russians.. and when these groups (izbe islami and 6 other islamic groups) took over afghanistan from communist group..all those promises and what is wrong and right in islam.. was forgotten.. they start fighting against each other.. Gulbudeen was firing over 60 rockets per day in kabul city where innocent civillion lived.. it costed of 20 thousond afghans lives.. simply because afghanistan had a government that wasn't pashtoon and kabul city was a city full of none pashtoon ethnic groups..

my couson coudln't take it anymore..according to him this was contridctory to what islam tought him.. so he left the country with his family..that was back in 1996.. now he is in germany still religious... but doesn't share the same believe that many of these terriost groups are sharing.. infect he despise them..

There we go again

 

[Xuhaib]

So the sympathies are there for Kashmiri freedom fighters inside pakistan,right ? That tells every thing and how these terrorists have reached the strength they are in .

Yes Kashmiri freedom fighters have been used by the ISI to further their objectives in India but it was a strategy that was used to counter what India was doing in Pakistan through RAW.

As for sympathy for these freedom fighters, a common Pakistani doesn't give a **** about Kashmir whether it stays with India or Pakistan or gets independence. I would say the feeling is quite neutral for them.

 

[Xuhaib]

Does not want another India- Pakistan duel so I guess I should stop right now.

 

[bagapath]

guys... i am a patriotic indian alright. but am slightly worried about the direction this thread is taking. not trying to tell you guys what to speak or how to speak. just letting you know we could be entering an uncomfortable zone for some of us. i hope that irrespective of the political differences within forum members the quality of the posts remains as high as ever.

 

[Sanz]

And you know all this while living in Sydney. The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.

Same Agenda, Different parties.