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Shootout in Lahore

Lostman

State Captain
tbh I had to get up really early this morning 5am, and i logged on my computer in half a sleep state to check the score. I started typing "c" for cricinfo and it took me cricketweb, this thread was towards the top. When I saw "shootout in Lahore" and i thought Pakistan must have plundered Murali and Mendis for 500 runs in a day.

then typed cricinfo and wished my first thought was true :(
 

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
I highly doubt the Pakistani government isn't ridding itself of Islamic fascism because it doesn't want to but because it's scared of the fight.
I think the problem seems to be that Pakistan has supported these groups for too long to now turn against them at the behest of the US and the allies.
These groups were created to achieve a certain agenda, and although they may have gone a bit off the track by attacking Pakistan itself, its pretty difficult for Pakistan to absolutely dismantle, kill off these groups as that would mean absolutely dismantling those various agendas.

Pakistan is being attacked because of its role in the ongoing "war on terror". Pakistan's involvement in this war extremely unpopular with its population and seen by a lot of them as a betrayal by their government. Hence these measures to destabilise a "puppet of the west" government.

The reason why the Government is not fighting these groups is because its almost impossible to fight them. These groups are linked back to the ISI and thus always are a step ahead of what the Govt. is up to & fighting them on a large scale might just start a civil war.

I seriously fear that the number of people who support such groups(even partially), outnumber the informed and rational thinking Pakistani population.
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
I seriously fear that the number of people who support such groups(even partially), outnumber the informed and rational thinking Pakistani population.
I don't pretend to know much about Pakistan, but that just boggles my mind. How could there possibly be a majority of people supporting a group which would be willing to deny the people the great game that they love? Surely that would cross the line with the common man/woman?
 

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I think the problem seems to be that Pakistan has supported these groups for too long to now turn against them at the behest of the US and the allies.
These groups were created to achieve a certain agenda, and although they may have gone a bit off the track by attacking Pakistan itself, its pretty difficult for Pakistan to absolutely dismantle, kill off these groups as that would mean absolutely dismantling those various agendas.

Pakistan is being attacked because of its role in the ongoing "war on terror". Pakistan's involvement in this war extremely unpopular with its population and seen by a lot of them as a betrayal by their government. Hence these measures to destabilise a "puppet of the west" government.

The reason why the Government is not fighting these groups is because its almost impossible to fight them. These groups are linked back to the ISI and thus always are a step ahead of what the Govt. is up to & fighting them on a large scale might just start a civil war.

I seriously fear that the number of people who support such groups(even partially), outnumber the informed and rational thinking Pakistani population.
Oh absolutely. I'd venture say that Pakistan would find ridding themselves of these blokes to be absolutely impossible without external armed intervention. My point is that it's more about power than anything else, religion is a rather convenient call-to-arms and rallying point. They're organised and heavily-armed crooks, not a government or political party.
 

Nishan

U19 Cricketer
just saw footage of the players arriving in Colombo, Samra still in ambulance and big bandage on Mendis head, its good to see them home, still deeply sad for all the people who died. Cricketing community must also thank the bus driver for the team, he did brave job.
 

anoop4real

U19 12th Man
Pakistan govt has started blaming India for this!!!!!.....I think Pakistan is getting taken over by the Talibans:dry:.......... and there is always a smell of a war oh God!!..... this was not what the Sri Lankans deserved for showing their sportsman spirit by playing in Pakistan.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
If you haven't already, have a read of Kumar Sangakkara's account of the attack on cricinfo. Really makes it clear just how freakishly lucky they were to all get out alive.
 

haroon510

International 12th Man
wow.. Samra was shot in the leg.. anyone knows how is he doing now? would he be able to play cricket again.. how about the other players.. any of them injured that seriously?
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
I think the problem seems to be that Pakistan has supported these groups for too long to now turn against them at the behest of the US and the allies.
These groups were created to achieve a certain agenda, and although they may have gone a bit off the track by attacking Pakistan itself, its pretty difficult for Pakistan to absolutely dismantle, kill off these groups as that would mean absolutely dismantling those various agendas.

Pakistan is being attacked because of its role in the ongoing "war on terror". Pakistan's involvement in this war extremely unpopular with its population and seen by a lot of them as a betrayal by their government. Hence these measures to destabilise a "puppet of the west" government.

The reason why the Government is not fighting these groups is because its almost impossible to fight them. These groups are linked back to the ISI and thus always are a step ahead of what the Govt. is up to & fighting them on a large scale might just start a civil war.

I seriously fear that the number of people who support such groups(even partially), outnumber the informed and rational thinking Pakistani population.
And you know all this while living in Sydney. The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.

Yes I agree Pakistan is facing these problems because of their involvement in WoT but Pakistan's involvement is unpopular not because majority supports these groups bur more because this involvement has made the country extremely insecure and unsafe. Majority of the country does not support these bastards.

Pakistan army and govt is doing its level best to neutralize their threat but as I have mentioned before that this is not an easy task and it could take years infact Lahore type attack shows that these groups have started feeling vulnerable and would go on to do acts that can do maximum damage to the state.
 

Evermind

International Debutant
The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.
Superficially maybe, but religious fundamentalists are religious fundamentalists. If you think they have "totally different agendas", you're deluding yourself, because they ultimately want the whole world to accept and convert to extremist Wahabi Islam or to burn. That is the agenda that unifies all the terrorists.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Xuhaib said:
The people who are fighting in Kashmir and the Pakistani Talibans that are fighting the army in Wazristan are two completely different factions with totally different agendas.
No, not at all.
 

Burgey

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No, not at all.
I don't mean to be rude, but even if they are completely different, if they're both a pack of ****s who are responsible for things in the nature of what happened yesterday, what difference does it make?
 

Uppercut

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I don't pretend to know much about Pakistan, but that just boggles my mind. How could there possibly be a majority of people supporting a group which would be willing to deny the people the great game that they love? Surely that would cross the line with the common man/woman?
Actually, if they supported the terrorists (even implicitly) beforehand, this won't make much difference. They'll simply convince themselves it was an Indian/Western conspiracy.
 

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Wow. It really is incredible that none of them were killed. I mean the rockets missing and grenades not going off is one thing, but....

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Tharanga announced he was hit as he sat up holding his chest. He collapsed onto his seat and I feared the worst. Incredibly, the bullet hit his sternum at such an angle that it did not penetrate.
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Amazing.
I'm finding it almost impossible to believe they got out of there alive even now. A rocket missed, the bus was riddle with machine-gun fire from all sides, a grenade was thrown under the bus but failed to explode, and Tharanga has a bullet bounce off his chest. If there's a God, it's safe to say he's most certainly not on the side of the terrorists.
 

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