No. 6 for Post Packer XI

[Athlai]

Better than/Challenge Hadlee:

McGrath, Lillee, Warne, Murali, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Marshall, Roberts, Holding, Lindwall, Spofforth, Davidson, Bannerman, Barnes, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Bond....

So, by your logic, Hadlee is like 20-30th.

He could just be around there.

 

[archie mac]

Better than/Challenge Hadlee:

McGrath, Lillee, Warne, Murali, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Marshall, Roberts, Holding, Lindwall, Spofforth, Davidson, Bannerman, Barnes, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Bond....

So, by your logic, Hadlee is like 20-30th.

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George Lohmann

 

[Matt79]

I'm sure a few will still be waving the Dravid flag regardless of his recent poor performances.

Yeah, because a bad year or two at the tail of a career overrides a decade of excellence...

 

[GilchristFtw]

I think that Kallis should bat at 6 because he is a decent bowler ( not the best but good enough). Imran is good all-rounder but I would vote Kallis because he has got a batting average of 50+ (exluding the minnows about an average of 40.)

 

[Athlai]

Yeah, because a bad year or two at the tail of a career overrides a decade of excellence...

Richards in his last 3 years averaged 36.22.

Dravid in his last 3 averaged 41.

As I remember it, Richards excellence is remembered moreso than a bad year or two curtailing a 'decade of excellence'.

 

[Athlai]

I think that Kallis should bat at 6 because he is a decent bowler ( not the best but good enough). Imran is good all-rounder but I would vote Kallis because he has got a batting average of 50+ (exluding the minnows about an average of 40.)

Kallis with non-minnows averages 51.38 with the bat and 34.09 with the ball.

 

[weldone]

WHy are people choosing Imran? If Gilchrist bats at 7, there're still 4 positions for bowlers, including a bowling all-rounder.

You have this team so far:

1) Hayden
2) Gavaskar
3) Ponting/Richards/Chappell
4) Tendulkar
5) Lara

7) Gilchrist

9) Murali/Warne
10) Marshall
11) McGrath

Imran could easily go into slot #8. That'd be perfect - a batting all-rounder (Kallis) at 6, and a bowling all-rounder (Imran) at 8, with 2 strike bowlers and a spinner. #6 is WAY too high for Imran - that means you have only 5 specialist batsmen in your team?!

There are many more issues involved here. One is captaincy...The other is those who want Murali in the team would vote for Imran because they don't want to lose any among the two...Also, if they are taking 4 bowlers (with Kallis as part-timer) then they might want the best 4 bowlers there and (if they hate spinners like SS) they might choose McGrath (or, Hadlee) over Imran for the 4th bowler...And none of them want to lose Imran...So, they think that the no. 7 spot will be the best for Imran...Yes, I know that the balance of the team demands a batting all-rounder (like Kallis) in the no. 6 spot, but all these factors are working for Imran in this poll...

For example, I consider all of Imran, Hadlee and Murali absolute musts in the XI...But Murali hasn't been selected as the 1st spinner, and Hadlee too isn't sure as the 2nd opening bowler still...Had they already been selected for sure, I probably would have given Kallis some serious thought for no. 6, keeping the 4th bowling position open for Imran...

 

[Matt79]

Because we have Gilchrist in the team. Even with Imran in the top 7, we'll end up with 6 players who average high forties plus AND Imran. That's a great batting line up anyway you cut it. And when you add in bowlers who can bat very well like Hadlee, Marshall, and Warne (? - he was winning the spinners poll last I checked), that's even more the case.

Bowlers win matches and given what we already have in this regard, we can wear the difference between Kallis and Imran with the bat, to gain what we get extra with the ball. If we had a keeper whose batting was even Healy, Knott or Dujon standard, I'd vote for Kallis.

 

[zaremba]

Kallis. Flintoff, Dev, Imran, Botham, Pollock, Hadlee, etc are not #6 in an all time side. Gilchrist is better than all of them, and every one of your top five should be picked on batting, while number six should be mostly batting. So it's between batmen: Ponting, Chappell, Kallis. In this, I rank Chappell > Ponting > Kallis. However, Kallis does add bowling, so I'm going to pick him. Additional bowling plus exceptional batting = perfect number six.

Imran aside, I agree with you. However my recollection of Imran's batting is that he had the solidity required for a number 6. Bear in mind also that in this particular side, you're going to have an unbelievable top 5, and numbers 7-10 (probably Gilchrist, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne) will represent a very powerful lower/middle order. Therefore Imran would hardly be exposed at 6.

 

[Ikki]

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George Lohmann

Yes, good catch. Brain fart!

 

[0RI0N]

I'm not even sure what this post means.

meansonting>tend.facts,not based on feelings/opinions.you cant seem to get your head around that fact.but you to stubborn 2 realize that.facts are facts.opinions or at least yours are wrong.

 

[bagapath]

News guys...

Sir Richard Hadlee has made it to the team as the second new ball bowler after Malcolm Marshall. He managed to sneak with one vote more than McGrath. Pigeon will be available - along with Murali, and the runner up from no.6 poll for the last bowling slot.

In all we likelihood we will have Imran, Marshall, Hadlee and Warne as the fixed line up by then

 

[Athlai]

meansonting>tend.facts,not based on feelings/opinions.you cant seem to get your head around that fact.but you to stubborn 2 realize that.facts are facts.opinions or at least yours are wrong.

The Agit thing was particularly interesting, racial slur?

Probably not worth talking to you is it?

 

[weldone]

The Agit thing was particularly interesting, racial slur?

Probably not worth talking to you is it?

Ha ha will be great entertainment when this ORION boy gets head on with someone like ret...CW will be burnt...Ashes will remain (Come on, I'm not referring to the famous test series you hopeless fools )

 

[Athlai]

Ha ha will be great entertainment when this ORION boy gets head on with someone like ret...CW will be burnt...Ashes will remain (Come on, I'm not referring to the famous test series you hopeless fools )

And I'm not even Indian. Athlai is Hebrew! And I'm not even a Jew! Oh what a tangled web we weave.

Us pesky Irish catholics.

 

[Evermind]

There are many more issues involved here. One is captaincy...The other is those who want Murali in the team would vote for Imran because they don't want to lose any among the two...Also, if they are taking 4 bowlers (with Kallis as part-timer) then they might want the best 4 bowlers there and (if they hate spinners like SS) they might choose McGrath (or, Hadlee) over Imran for the 4th bowler...And none of them want to lose Imran...So, they think that the no. 7 spot will be the best for Imran...Yes, I know that the balance of the team demands a batting all-rounder (like Kallis) in the no. 6 spot, but all these factors are working for Imran in this poll...

For example, I consider all of Imran, Hadlee and Murali absolute musts in the XI...But Murali hasn't been selected as the 1st spinner, and Hadlee too isn't sure as the 2nd opening bowler still...Had they already been selected for sure, I probably would have given Kallis some serious thought for no. 6, keeping the 4th bowling position open for Imran...

Your post made no sense to me. What does the choice of Murali have to do with the choice of Imran?

We're discussing the #6 spot, not #7. It makes NO SENSE to have Gilchrist come in at 7 (like he did for Australia) and then have a far worse batsman come in ahead of him. You can still have Imran come in at 8, and then have the spinner and the two strike bowlers come in after that.

If SS hates spinners, it's his own problem. He can replace a spinner with a fast bowler then in his own team, which is obviously going to be defective compared to the rest. I still don't see how it's relevant to the issue.

 

[Evermind]

Athlai is Hebrew!

What does it mean? Is it like "Athlaitic"? Like how the Kiwis pronounce it.

 

[Athlai]

What does it mean? Is it like "Athlaitic"? Like how the Kiwis pronounce it.

Haha no it means "My time". A pseudonym I use to spend my time on the internet.

 

[weldone]

Your post made no sense to me. What does the choice of Murali have to do with the choice of Imran?

We're discussing the #6 spot, not #7. It makes NO SENSE to have Gilchrist come in at 7 (like he did for Australia) and then have a far worse batsman come in ahead of him. You can still have Imran come in at 8, and then have the spinner and the two strike bowlers come in after that.

If SS hates spinners, it's his own problem. He can replace a spinner with a fast bowler then in his own team, which is obviously going to be defective compared to the rest. I still don't see how it's relevant to the issue.

You didn't even get any point of my post...Read it again...Moreover I want Imran at no. 7 after Gilchrist at no. 6...But since that option was not presented, I have to go for the option provided right? And yes, you were suggesting having Imran as the 4th bowler, which I (and many like me) will not like who want Murali as the 4th bowler...

Have made my post simpler this time...hope you get it...

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Ian Botham is the most naturally gifted all round cricketer in history, but unfortunately he didn't hone his skills in the nets or make any attempt to retain fitness as he got older.
Therefore it's Gilchrist 6 and Imran 7.