Choose three batsmen for the Post Packer XI middle order

[bagapath]

voting for javed miandad, greg chappell, and viv richards. one street fighter, one magician, one assassin. as a combination they can handle pace, spin, swing, bounce, bad wickets and pressure. they can attack, they can defend, they can entertain the crowd and demoralize the opponents, they can drop anchor and demoralize the opponents, they can intimidate with their presence and deed, they can shepherd the tail, they can devise a plan and drive the whole innigs towards it and change the plan when necessary. they can provide the team with all-round batsmanship after gavaskar and hayden's solid opening partnership and before gilly and the all rounder go for quick runs.

 

[weldone]

Now for the past decade and a half, Sri Lanka for the most part has not been a difficult team to score runs against, so including those games where Murali is present is irrelevant because they are not a good team/not a strong attack. It hides how average Sachin was against the top teams with the top bowlers (Australia, WIndies, S.Africa and Pakistan - all easily comparable teams). By diluting games where he did well against Sri Lanka, you inflate his average by 6 points.

The problem with your posts is that they are full with wrong information. Just one small example: you said SriLankan bowling attack in the last 15 years has not been as great as (in fact, the tone was nowhere near) Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies...Now, here are some simple facts:

In last 15 years runs per wicket for each bowling attack:
Australia - 28.14
South Africa - 29.63
Sri Lanka - 30.52
Pakistan - 32.76
New Zealand - 33.78
England - 33.88
India - 34.86
West Indies - 34.99

So, Sri Lanka has been among the best 3 bowling attacks in the last 15 years, better than Pakistan; and West Indies is not even among the best 7 bowling attacks in the given time-frame.

I know you can't reply to this post straight because you've been proven wrong, and you'll reply in a roundabout manner (with multi-quotes, as always)...but who cares?

 

[Ikki]

The problem with your posts is that they are full with wrong information. Just one small example: you said SriLankan bowling attack in the last 15 years has not been as great as (in fact, the tone was nowhere near as) Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies...Now, here are some simple facts:

In last 15 years runs per wicket for each bowling attack:
Australia - 28.14
South Africa - 29.63
Sri Lanka - 30.52
Pakistan - 32.76
New Zealand - 33.78
England - 33.88
India - 34.86
West Indies - 34.99

So, Sri Lanka has been among the best 3 bowling attacks in the last 15 years, better than Pakistan; and West Indies is not even among the best 7 bowling attacks in the given time-frame.

I know you can't reply to this post straight because you've been proven wrong, and you'll reply in a roundabout manner (with multi-quotes, as always)...but who cares?

Care to remove minnows before I start my reply? Also, counting the 90s is a bit more relevant as most of the bowlers mentioned ended their careers either in the 90s or a little bit after.

They give you these figures:

Or even till 2002

Also, did a bit of check up on how Tendulkar has done against Sri Lanka since 2002 and he has averaged 49.60 (still good). Ponting has averaged 64.68.

Oh well, thanks for playing.

 

[Ikki]

Tendulkar faced McGrath and Warne in only 3 series. In the '99 one in Aus he was the Man of the series averaging 46. In the '01 seroes he was instrumental in India winning the series with an average of 50. In the BG series of 2004 he was included in the side midway in the series as a desperate move since India were trailing 0-1. He had been out with tennis elbow and had had no match practice and not surprisingly struggled to get the ball off the square. Given the small number of matches he's played against the pair, it's misleading to look at an overall average.

I've already calculated for you, 42 when Glenn McGrath and Warne are there. Remember, these two didn't play full series at times and missed tests within series. They featured in 9 of 29 test matches Sachin played against the Aussies, that's a good sample size.

 

[0RI0N]

voting for javed miandad, greg chappell, and viv richards. one street fighter, one magician, one assassin. as a combination they can handle pace, spin, swing, bounce, bad wickets and pressure. they can attack, they can defend, they can entertain the crowd and demoralize the opponents, they can drop anchor and demoralize the opponents, they can intimidate with their presence and deed, they can shepherd the tail, they can devise a plan and drive the whole innigs towards it and change the plan when necessary. they can provide the team with all-round batsmanship after gavaskar and hayden's solid opening partnership and before gilly and the all rounder go for quick runs.

nice solid 70/80's middle order...nice 1 mate.
btw i voted lara,ponting tendulkar.wish i coulda swoppd tend for king viv.lara and ponting > tend.just saw tends numbers minus bang and zimbos.tend was very good until 2004.after that its hit n miss.btw 2 100's in oz was against 2nd rate oz bowlers.got owned in s lanka.
lara the best batsman post 1990.end of.

 

[0RI0N]

Tendulkar faced McGrath and Warne in only 3 series. In the '99 one in Aus he was the Man of the series averaging 46. In the '01 seroes he was instrumental in India winning the series with an average of 50. In the BG series of 2004 he was included in the side midway in the series as a desperate move since India were trailing 0-1. He had been out with tennis elbow and had had no match practice and not surprisingly struggled to get the ball off the square. Given the small number of matches he's played against the pair, it's misleading to look at an overall average.

wasnt mcgrath or ricky mos in 99?

 

[weldone]

Care to remove minnows before I start my reply?

OK, here I do.

Australia - 28.34
South Africa - 30.76
Sri Lanka - 33.36
Pakistan - 34.19
England - 34.78
West Indies - 35.96

Now, you can start your reply...And, don't be a moron to compare the attacks for the 90s only...More than 60% of Ponting's career has been in the 2000s...For serving your purpose you might just go down to comparing Ponting and Sachin in the 70s...You can do anything to prove your point...The fact is many of the bowlers (barring very few) were greats in the 2000s...

Thanks for continuing to play...

 

[0RI0N]

wasnt mcgrath or ricky mos in 99?

weird, srt was mos in 99 ave 46. Mcgrath took+- 18 wickets.ponting ave 375@125.wonder what the ppl who selected mos were smoking.probably agarkars socks.

 

[Ikki]

OK, here I do.

Australia - 28.34
South Africa - 30.76
Sri Lanka - 33.36
Pakistan - 34.19
England - 34.78
West Indies - 35.96

Now, you can start your reply...And, don't be a moron to compare the attacks for the 90s only...More than 60% of Ponting's career has been in the 2000s...For serving your purpose you might just go down to comparing Ponting and Sachin in the 70s...You can do anything to prove your point...The fact is many of the bowlers (barring very few) were greats in the 2000s...

Thanks for continuing to play...

Sunshine, I already posted the stats . When we are talking about the best attacks of the time, and name certain bowlers, those certain bowlers played about 90% of their career in the 90s. So 2002 and beyond is irrelevant...because...drum roll...they didn't play! It should be clear as day I am not talking about the West Indies in how they were in the 2000s, I am clearly talking about them when they were still a good side; hence the 90s.

Till about 2002 half his career was in the 90s and half in the 2000s - but fortunately, he met those bowlers in the 90s so that people can't bring up flat pitches, etc.

Here's some homework:

Care to remove minnows before I start my reply? Also, counting the 90s is a bit more relevant as most of the bowlers mentioned ended their careers either in the 90s or a little bit after.

They give you these figures:

Or even till 2002

Also, did a bit of check up on how Tendulkar has done against Sri Lanka since 2002 and he has averaged 49.60 (still good). Ponting has averaged 64.68.

Oh well, thanks for playing.

 

[JBH001]

Under-rated?

It's a ****en poll of peoples opinions of 'only 3' middle order batsman. There is nothing wrong with 'losing' a poll to Lara, Tendulkar, and Richards. ffs

Agreed. Although it was only a matter of time before the High Priests of Ponting came out in full force.

In the nearly 20 years I have been interested in and followed cricket there has not been a better batsman than Tendulkar. He is my first and easy pick for the middle order. No question. Second is Lara in a close tussle with Ponting. It was a bit of a toss up between Richards and Ponting for the last spot, and even though Richards' best days were probably pre packer and he went on a little too long, I think this XI needs one WI batsman in the line-up. Also the thought of Hayden and Richards dominating the bowling in a run packed afternoon session on the first day of a hypothetical test is a mouth watering prospect.

Preferred order, but thats upto bagapath.

Richards
Tendulkar
Lara

 

[0RI0N]

Care to remove minnows before I start my reply? Also, counting the 90s is a bit more relevant as most of the bowlers mentioned ended their careers either in the 90s or a little bit after.

They give you these figures:

Or even till 2002

Also, did a bit of check up on how Tendulkar has done against Sri Lanka since 2002 and he has averaged 49.60 (still good). Ponting has averaged 64.68.

Oh well, thanks for playing.

didnt tend play sl in 05(3 tests ave 40 odd) and in 08 ave 16?
Care to give us a breakdown of tends numbers since 02 and how u got 49.please dont make up stats.thank you

 

[shankar]

I've already calculated for you, 42 when Glenn McGrath and Warne are there. Remember, these two didn't play full series at times and missed tests within series. They featured in 9 of 29 test matches Sachin played against the Aussies, that's a good sample size.

Actually he faced an attack with both of them in 7 matches - Including 3 in '99 series in Aus and 3 in the '01 series in India. He averages 48.5 in the 12 innings of these 2 series. He was acknowledged to have batted brilliantly in both. His overall average is affected by the test match played in the '04 series where he was called into the team in the middle of the series due to India's position. Like I mentioned in my previous post, he had been out of the team due to tennis elbow and came in with no/minimal match practice.

 

[weldone]

So 2002 and beyond is irrelevant...because...drum roll...they didn't play!

Wow, I didn't know...for example, McGrath, Muralitharan, Pollock, Warne, Kumble, Harbhajan...(oh drums are now not only rolling but also surprisingly they have just started moving towards Australia)...didn't play after 2002...

 

[Ikki]

didnt tend play sl in 05(3 tests ave 40 odd) and in 08 ave 16?
Care to give us a breakdown of tends numbers since 02 and how u got 49.please dont make up stats.thank you

Oops, wait, you're right...it's 25.81 Not so good for Sachin. Weird mistake. Ponting is still 64.68 though . Was superb against the best attacks of both eras...good to know.

 

[Ikki]

Wow, I didn't know...for example, McGrath, Muralitharan, Pollock, Warne, Kumble, Harbhajan...(oh drums are now not only rolling surprisingly they have just started moving towards Australia)...didn't play after 2002...

Well, Sachin didn't face his teammates, still did poorly against S.Africa, his record was worse in the 2000s against Warne and McGrath and evidently poor against Sri Lanka/Murali too.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yes, I know that as much as you do. And my comment was about that 10% of the voters, not about the rest 90%.

So you'd rather draw conclusions from 10% of the voters than the 90% that you didn't think of considering. Hope you have more sense than that in real life.

I didn't mention that explicitly because I thought you were intelligent enough to understand that.

You didn't mention that explicitly because you were too haughtily entrenched in your falsely drawn conclusions to even think of it.

 

[Ikki]

Actually he faced an attack with both of them in 7 matches - Including 3 in '99 series in Aus and 3 in the '01 series in India. He averages 48.5 in the 12 innings of these 2 series. He was acknowledged to have batted brilliantly in both. His overall average is affected by the test match played in the '04 series where he was called into the team in the middle of the series due to India's position. Like I mentioned in my previous post, he had been out of the team due to tennis elbow and came in with no/minimal match practice.

When he faced them both...ok 7 matches is not enough? What was his reason against Donald, Pollock, Waqar and Wasim? There are mitigating cirucumstances, I agree, but on the whole...he was average against most of the best attacks of his time.

 

[Ikki]

Agreed. Although it was only a matter of time before the High Priests of Ponting came out in full force.

In the nearly 20 years I have been interested in and followed cricket there has not been a better batsman than Tendulkar. He is my first and easy pick for the middle order. No question. Second is Lara in a close tussle with Ponting. It was a bit of a toss up between Richards and Ponting for the last spot, and even though Richards' best days were probably pre packer and he went on a little too long, I think this XI needs one WI batsman in the line-up. Also the thought of Hayden and Richards dominating the bowling in a run packed afternoon session on the first day of a hypothetical test is a mouth watering prospect.

Preferred order, but thats upto bagapath.

Richards
Tendulkar
Lara

And what a church we have...16 to the temple of Tendulkar's 47.

 

[weldone]

So you'd rather draw conclusions from 10% of the voters than the 90% that you didn't think of considering. Hope you have more sense than that in real life.

Because, guess what, I drew conclusions about those 10% of the voters...Of course I meant Border and Miandad are underrated by those who voted for Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara, Andy Flower and Chanderpaul ahead of those two...Of course I didn't mean that they are underrated by all...I thought that was implied from what I said...I didn't know that some like you existed who wouldn't understand that, let alone understanding complicated events in your real life...

Sorry for not mentioning underrated by whom...Happy?

 

[0RI0N]

Oops, wait, you're right...it's 25.81 Not so good for Sachin. Weird mistake. Ponting is still 64.68 though .

no worries mate.
But lara > tendulkar.
Now heres a thread idea.best player of spin last 20yrs:lara wins this 1 hands down.no azhar,no laxman,no sidhu no viru