***Official*** India in Sri Lanka

[Nishan]

also WC is 2years away, i remember a similar 6-1 pounding to Sl in India in 2005 so as a fan i am postive Sri Lankans can fight back.

 

[Evermind]

In ODI;s Astle,Turner, Twose, Crowe & even Taylor are all arguably > than Sangakkara

In tests Crowe >>> Sangakkara IMO (despite the overall average)

I agree about ODIs, maybe, for a couple of those players, but how could you possible argue that Crowe >>> Sangakkara in tests? FFS:


Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Crowe 77 131 11 5444 299 45.36 12190 44.65 17 18 659 27 71 0
Sanga 78 129 9 6525 287 54.37 11725 55.65 17 28 861 19 153 20

Sangakkara is so obviously superior.

 

[Precambrian]

I agree about ODIs, maybe, for a couple of those players, but how could you possible argue that Crowe >>> Sangakkara in tests? FFS:


Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Crowe 77 131 11 5444 299 45.36 12190 44.65 17 18 659 27 71 0
Sanga 78 129 9 6525 287 54.37 11725 55.65 17 28 861 19 153 20

Sangakkara is so obviously superior.

Away averages and home averages please.

Also request records against Test class teams,

 

[Evermind]

Excl Bangers and Zimb:

Sanga:
62 5113 287 50.12 13 0 - - 0 122 14

Crowe:
75 5195 299 44.78 16 14 2/25 47.21 0 70 0

Away, also excl Bang and Zim:

Sanga:
28 2271 230 46.34 5

Crowe:
43 2794 188 41.08 8

Still superior.

 

[Flem274*]

how early was Sanga picked though? Crowe was very poor at the start of his career, being picked as a teenager tends to do that. Selectors

 

[Flem274*]

New Zealand's current #6 > The current Lankan middle-order below Sangakkara

I know you mean Oram, but as Elliott is there atm, and I'm and Elliott fan, I'm claiming that.

 

[Evermind]

how early was Sanga picked though? Crowe was very poor at the start of his career, being picked as a teenager tends to do that. Selectors

Sanga started test cricket when he was 22.

 

[Zinzan]

I agree about ODIs, maybe, for a couple of those players, but how could you possible argue that Crowe >>> Sangakkara in tests? FFS:


Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Crowe 77 131 11 5444 299 45.36 12190 44.65 17 18 659 27 71 0
Sanga 78 129 9 6525 287 54.37 11725 55.65 17 28 861 19 153 20

Sangakkara is so obviously superior.

You disappoint me Evermind, because I always thoughts you really knew your cricket . Any knowledgeable cricket fan knows you can't just simply compare batsmen by average when they played in totally different eras, on different pitches & against totally different opposition. You have to actually investigate other factors, which clearly you haven't considered. Instead you've just made a sweeping statement thats Sanga's better because of his average.

Did you take time to look how other batsmen in the world performed in Crowe's era?
Did you consider the pitch conditions that Crowe played most of his cricket on?
Did you consider the bowling attacks Crowe was up against ?


Sanga is undoubtedly a fine batsman, but is playing in an era in which more than a hand-full of batsmen around the world averaged 50+ , mainly due playing both Zim & Bang, the better pitches & the lack of class bowlers. You've seen yourself Sanga's average drops to about 45 or so if you remove the nimmows

If you want to look at the stats, lets put Crowe's in perspective. For a 10 year period between 1985-1994, no test batsman in the world had a better record.

Here is the list a top test run scorers in this 10 year period ....

Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave 100 50 0
DC Boon (Aus) 1985-1994 90 162 20 6612 200 46.56 19 29 14 investigate this query
AR Border (Aus) 1985-1994 90 149 24 6439 205 51.51 15 35 7 investigate this query
GA Gooch (Eng) 1985-1994 72 132 2 6191 333 47.62 16 31 8 investigate this query
RB Richardson (WI) 1985-1994 64 112 10 4775 194 46.81 12 23 2 investigate this query
DL Haynes (WI) 1985-1994 65 120 20 4519 167 45.19 11 22 6 investigate this query
MA Taylor (Aus) 1989-1994 58 104 7 4498 219 46.37 12 27 3 investigate this query
MD Crowe (NZ) 1985-1994 51 89 10 4411 299 55.83 16 14 5 investigate this query
Javed Miandad (Pak) 1985-1993 56 81 5 3788 271 49.84 10 16 3 investigate this query
M Azharuddin (India) 1985-1994 61 87 3 3727 199 44.36 11 13 3 investigate this query
SR Waugh (Aus) 1985-1994 68 103 18 3692 177* 43.43 7 21 10 investigate this query
RA Smith (Eng) 1988-1994 53 97 14 3677 175 44.30 9 24 8 investigate this query
DI Gower (Eng) 1985-1992 47 84 7 3578 215 46.46 9 15 1 investigate this query
DM Jones (Aus) 1986-1992 50 85 11 3566 216 48.18 11 14 11 investigate this query
Saleem Malik (Pak) 1985-1994 56 83 13 3355 237 47.92 8 17 5 investigate this query
JG Wright (NZ) 1985-1993 44 82 5 3355 185 43.57 8 16 5 investigate this query
AJ Stewart (Eng) 1990-1994 44 80 5 3031 190 40.41 7 15 3 investigate this query
MA Atherton (Eng) 1989-1994 41 76 1 2994 151 39.92 7 20 9 investigate this query
CG Greenidge (WI) 1985-1991 45 80 5 2906 226 38.74 7 9 3 investigate this query
AH Jones (NZ) 1987-1994 37 70 7 2898 186 46.00 7 11 1 investigate this query
GR Marsh (Aus) 1985-1992 50 93 7 2854 138 33.18 4 15 3 investigate this query
PA de Silva (SL) 1985-1994 45 77 4 2853 267 39.08 7 12 1 investigate this query
IVA Richards (WI) 1985-1991 47 70 6 2826 146 44.15 6 20 4 investigate this query
AJ Lamb (Eng) 1985-1992 47 83 5 2701 142 34.62 7 10 6 investigate this query


As you can see in this 10 year period; Crowe was essentially the best performing batsman in the world, he had comfortably the best average in this period & only Boon had more 100s in this period, having played nearly twice the matches.

Show me the stats where for a 10 year period (or 8 years in his case) Sanga has been the no.1 batsman in the world.

Admittedly Crowe only averages around 45 in his overall career, simply because he was thrown in test cricket far too early as a 19 year old against Thomson Lillee & co and the last few matches in his career were poor when he was battling with his knee.

I believe my filtering is fair enough too, its not like i'm only looking at a couple of great years, 10 years is a fair portion.

It is for these reasons that I believe CROWE > SANGAKKARA as a test batsman

 

[JBH001]

You know, I would concur that Crowe was a better test batsman than Sangakkara, although it is possible that Sangakkara would have surpassed Crowe by the time he retires. Sangakkara after all (hopefully) still does have quite a few good years left in him.

Just a couple of queries with regards to the statistics, though. Its fair enough to discount Crowe's first tests, iirc he only averaged 32 or so over his first 17 tests, and his last year or so where his knee gave him increasing trouble, but then, to be fair, we would also have to look at Sanga's peak period, and his record as a pure batsman (when he was not also wicket-keeping). In terms of statistics, and not having looked at those figures, I am pretty certain that Sanga's figures would >>> Crowe's.

For all that though, I do think Crowe (at this stage of Sanga's career) the better batsman.

 

[JBH001]

With regard to this awful ODI series. 4-0 and 5-0 on the cards. Ugh. Cant wait for it to be over.

Congratulations to the Indian team for a dominant performance, and to Gambhir for a great knock.

 

[honestbharani]

Nice win. Gambhir's fitness stood out, for mine.. To run so much and to bat for so long in that heat is a special effort and he still kept his SR above 100... Bowling is still a worry though... Pathan was unconvincing.


Expect Ishant and Yuvraj to be rested and Balaji and Jadeja to come in in the next game..

 

[Cricket_God]

The way Dhoni has used his bowlers is highly questionable. He's had the main bowlers face the Lankan opening pair that's on a roll, or any set batsman. When there's a new batting pair in the middle, he'll get on the part-time bowlers and he'll bowl them till the last wicket falls, unless the batsmen get their act together- then the main bowlers have to do the hard work. We complain that India lacks a genuine all-rounder. We complain that the spinning stocks are running thin. Then Dhoni does nothing to help the matter by getting part-time rubbish to wade through overs that they need to establish themselves. The bowlers, who are under the hammer and could do with a few wickets to get their confidence back, miss out on a good opportunity, as part-timers are using it. If he thinks part-time spinners will win matches for India, he's in for a very nasty surprise when they bowl to Ross Taylor and Jesse Ryder.

Dhonis tactic in most matches is to bowl the spinners from 15th over to batting powerplay overs,so he saves the fast bowlers zaheer,ishant to bowl when the batting team takes the powerplay.pitches in srilanka are dry and are turning in the 2nd innings so even part timers
are doing great.who said our spining stocks are thin?????do not believe the media
and genuine allrounder??????? except flintoff and kallis most teams have batting or bowli ng allrounders which we have.

 

[Cricket_God]

The Asia Cup- and everything wrong with the team was shown up there. He's helped a lot by playing a series against an England ODI team that couldn't adapt, and a Sri Lankan team that has the single worst batting lineup among top teams. He's also been incredibly lucky with the toss. If he continues the same bowling plans against New Zealand in New Zealand, we'll be seeing results similar to India's last tour in 2002-03.

luck?you are being unfair to dhoni.you make your own luck indian team is playing well
so the other teams are looking bad.in newzealand the pitches are flat and grounds are small so india will play extra seamer and dhoni is experienced enough not to bowl
parttimers in nz as the grounds are small.

 

[Lostman]

Havn't seen SL getting slapped around like this at home in any format, for the last 15 years.
Even when Australia beat us 3-0 in tests all the games were really really close, and SL could have just as easily won 1-2 games. However, this has been embarrassing.

Onto another issue, I looked at the WC schedule and the R.Premadasa is supposed to get one of the semi-finals.
This should really be switched to the SSC or even a day game. I dont have a problem with a random ODI tournament getting D/N games at the Premadasa, but a WC semifinal should not be decided at the toss.

 

[cowboysfan]

slinga back for t20's -cant wait.

 

[inbox24]

I think India has the best ODI batting going around at the moment.

Sehwag
Gambhir
Tendulkar
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Raina
YPathan

Once Tendulkar retires, you can have Raina move up to 3, where he performs his best, and have some youngster come in, maybe Sharma.

If only they would drop rubbish players like IPathan who can't get his radar right and even Zaheer (who I don't really rate that highly as an ODI bowler) who could be replaced by Munaf Patel, they would have a decent bowling attack as well.

Sharma
Patel
Kumar
Singh

And then you have the likes of Yuvraj, YPathan, Sehwag and Raina to make up the other 10 overs. Brilliant really.

 

[Precambrian]

If only they would drop rubbish players like IPathan who can't get his radar right and even Zaheer (who I don't really rate that highly as an ODI bowler) who could be replaced by Munaf Patel, they would have a decent bowling attack as well,

You sir, are ajoke

 

[Jono]

You never drop Jayasuriya FFS.

 

[Jono]

@ Jayasuriya wanting to run whilst Pathan polished the ball in the outfield. Sneaky old bugger.

Lucky Dilshan said no, otherwise he'd be gone.

 

[Prince EWS]

Wrong thread Jono, moved your post for you.