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***Official India in New Zealand***
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Athlai
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Harsh on Tait as his career hasn't really even got underway.
Precambrian
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I haven't the slightest idea whether you give any regard to their domestic FC stats.
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Joginder Sharma
200 wickets @ 20.05
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Praveen Kumar
144 wickets @ 23.45
Kthxgoodbye.
Precambrian
Banned
I am not sure whether you've followed Chaminda in the first 5-7 years of his career, because he was up there with Z Khan as to pace. And even with his speed diminished after he passed 30, his accuracy and swing bowling are excellent.
I agree that swing bowlers are a threat in NZ, particularly now, considering the relative inexperience of the batsmen there. And I agree he did a reasonably good job in ODIs in Aus. But since then, his form has taken a nose-dive. He couldnt buy a wicket in ODIs in Ban and Pakistan. And his domestic form hasn't been spectacular either. So I wouldn't call for inclusion of Kumar in the team to NZ as of now.
Yes, yes and Yes. On current form as well as considering their International experience, all the 3 mentioned are better selections than Kumar. My first choice would obviously be Munaf Patel, followed by Sreesanth and then RP. Sreesanth has made a good comeback in domestic cricket following his injury layoff and is a genuine matchwinner in swinging conditions. Moreso than P Kumar. Kumar simply does not deserve a spot in test team as of now.
adharcric
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Go ahead and question my knowledge of Indian domestic cricket ... now go find me someone with the slightest understanding of the game who thinks Joginder Sharma is better than, as good as or even close to Praveen Kumar as a bowler in international cricket. Oh yeah, don't come back with more of these stats ... it doesn't exactly make you look like an authority on the subject. If you've watched them in action and think Joginder > Praveen, let's talk.
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Precambrian
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Praveen had a good series in Aus and has been hyped up ever since. Let him continue his form in some more ODI series before he has any say whatsoever of getting into test team.
Sorry, am hardly an authority on FC cricket myself and I didn't mean to demerit your knowledge of it, if I did, it was unintentional.
biased indian
International Coach
joginder sharma is joke bowler ...will take prveen kumar over him any day ..but that said praveen will be good test cricket i am not sure he might do weel in england and south africa even with out pace .....but in other places you need a stoke delivery which ahve not see so far..at least for the time being i am happy with our pace attack think munaf will be good in test in NZ that is if he is fully fit
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Joginder is only good in ICC2008 tbh.
masterblaster
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The amount of swing Praveen gets both in and out is his biggest asset. He's also much more disciplined as a bowler than somebody like Joginder Sharma who I've seen has a tendency to bowl short and wide two to three times in an over.
I'd definitely have Praveen Kumar over Joginder Sharma in the side at this stage, however I'm not writing Joginder Sharma off as I think with some development he can be useful for India in the future.
As for test matches, Praveen is a better choice than Sreesanth as he is more disciplined and mentally stronger. However Munaf Patel and RP Singh should be the ones next in line for a test spot after Zaheer and Ishant Sharma.
I'd definitely have Praveen Kumar over Joginder Sharma in the side at this stage, however I'm not writing Joginder Sharma off as I think with some development he can be useful for India in the future.
As for test matches, Praveen is a better choice than Sreesanth as he is more disciplined and mentally stronger. However Munaf Patel and RP Singh should be the ones next in line for a test spot after Zaheer and Ishant Sharma.
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Yeah, RP Singh is waaayward. Reminds me of early Jimmy Anderson tbh- too much "when he gets it right he can be awesome!" when it very, very rarely happens. Then again, even Anderson doesn't have an E/R anywhere near as bad as RP's in either form of international cricket.
Sreesanth is a much more promising bowler, but he goes to pieces too easily. I don't think he's a better bet than Kumar, taking into account that their respective records in all forms support what I'd guess from what I've seen of them. Also, his good performances in international cricket seem forever ago now.
Munaf is the incumbent, and easily better than Sreesanth or RP. I wouldn't complain if he was picked, both him and Kumar are a reasonable shout IMO.
Athlai
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TBF after Sharma and Khan the Indian seamers begin to dry up. Munaf if he's fit and ready to go should make the tour and do alright, Sreesanth is really a guy who could either do very well or horribly while I'd personally pick Praveen Kumar ahead of RP Singh everyday of the week. And apparently there are seamers even better than him!
Blooding your seamers in NZ is a very risky mood, our conditions are unlike anything in the world and nigh on all the bowlers will only get their first taste of it when they arrive here. Just seems like a mismanagement to have so many inexperienced (yet talented) guys being sent in.
Blooding your seamers in NZ is a very risky mood, our conditions are unlike anything in the world and nigh on all the bowlers will only get their first taste of it when they arrive here. Just seems like a mismanagement to have so many inexperienced (yet talented) guys being sent in.
adharcric
International Coach
RP Singh is in terrible form and appears to be injured as well. Zaheer-Ishant-Munaf is a sure thing as of now but the reserve spots are still up for grabs. Praveen Kumar, Sreesanth and Irfan Pathan are the main contenders but a wild-card may emerge in the Duleep Trophy.
Precambrian
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Save that for reposting after the series mate. I bet you would not want to. RP is gun in swinging conditions, Perth? Durban T20? anyone?
However atm I'd prefer Zak, Ishant, Munaf followed by Sree, Bala and RP.
It's a shame for him then that there is no test match in Auckland. Shouldn't swing a lot in Napier or Wellington, if at all. Hamilton maybe a bit.
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He's chucked pies in swinging conditions before too.
Precambrian
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As I said, he won't be in my first 3 choices, or 4.
Won't be arguing with that.
However he has done what no NZ bowler has achieved in a decade, or Englishman, namely bowl his team to a win at Perth.
Chuck that.
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Mate, he took six wickets in the match. Including Shaun Tait, Brett Lee and Stuart Clark. If by "bowl his team to win" you mean "took three top-order wickets in a match" then Monty Panesar and Steve Harmison both did it in the same match in 2006/07.
Pathan and Sharma were the match-winners there.