***Official*** Sri Lanka In Pakistan

[Xuhaib]

We are talking about test series mate.

Yep, India was comprehensively outplayed in Sri Lanka. No doubts about that.

And instead of countering that Pakistan is a **** side for some time, you are just trying to drag India into it. As I said, Pakistan is still a quality ODI side, and a very good T20 one. It's just that they don't have experienced players in their ranks to become a good Test side, atleast for now.

If you look at my reply to UC you can see that I am admitting the current test line up is poor.

You just said that they lost 4 out of 5 thats why they are poor to which I brought up the Indian point just to show that just because a team goes through a lean period dosen't mean they were **** there could be other factors as well impacting the performance rather then the lack of quality.

 

[Precambrian]

If you look at my reply to UC you can see that I am admitting the current test line up is poor.

You just said that they lost 4 out of 5 thats why they are poor to which I brought up the Indian point just to show that just because a team goes through a lean period dosen't mean they were **** there could be other factors as well impacting the performance rather then the lack of quality.

Two series losses, and that one in Australia, where it could have been a draw but for umpiring gaffes, is no way equal to comprehensive losses in 4 series out of 5.

 

[Harry Harrison]

Pakistan is still a quality test side provided its fast bowlers are fit. Bowlers like Shoaib Akhter, Sohail Tanveer, Umar Gul and Kaneria can destroy any batting side on a given day. Never undr estimate Pakistan team. They are still un predictable as ever.

 

[Xuhaib]

Two series losses, and that one in Australia, where it could have been a draw but for umpiring gaffes, is no way equal to comprehensive losses in 4 series out of 5.

Yup keep on crying on the umpiring did you watch the Headingley test where umpiring was worse then Sydney, infact the Ovalgate was more or less a boiling over from the shocking umpiring in Headingley.

 

[Precambrian]

Pakistan is still a quality test side provided its fast bowlers are fit. Bowlers like Shoaib Akhter, Sohail Tanveer, Umar Gul and Kaneria can destroy any batting side on a given day. Never undr estimate Pakistan team. They are still un predictable as ever.

Akthar's best days are past, as we can see he is struggling to send a 4-over spell without panting and puffing.

Sohail Tanveer has not at all impressed in the Test matches so far, though I consider he will become the workhorse kind of bowler As of now he is just mediocre.

Umar Gul is a gun prospect. He can be expected to run in at any moment of the test match, and has proven to be a matchwinner, If he manages to stay fit, I think he will be the best Pakistani pace bowler for the next 5-6 years.

Kaneria. He's been a joke since 2006. He does the hard yards and picks up wickets, however at an unacceptable cost. Not entirely his fault when he has to function as both strike as well stock bowler, and has virtually no support from the other end.

Unless Pakistan unearths some good pacers, atleast 2 of them, who can average atleast in the high 20s, they are going to be another India (of the early 2000s and most of the 70s and 80s), without the batting quality.

 

[Precambrian]

Yup keep on crying on the umpiring did you watch the Headingley test where umpiring was worse then Sydney, infact the Ovalgate was more or less a boiling over from the shocking umpiring in Headingley.

No, I don't think the umpiring errors were anywhere near the blatant ones in Sydney. However let's move on. A defeat is a defeat. So is Sydney. Atleast we managed to stage a superb comeback by defeating Australia at Perth of all places, and then winning the CB series. This meant that India were extremely competent. All the major batsmen except Dravid contributed. And the bowlers were very good.

Sri Lanka was a disaster. I agree. But that's just one series.

 

[Xuhaib]

No, I don't think the umpiring errors were anywhere near the blatant ones in Sydney. However let's move on. A defeat is a defeat. So is Sydney. Atleast we managed to stage a superb comeback by defeating Australia at Perth of all places, and then winning the CB series. This meant that India were extremely competent. All the major batsmen except Dravid contributed. And the bowlers were very good.

Sri Lanka was a disaster. I agree. But that's just one series.

First you said we are talking about test matches then you bring up CB and Pakistan would have won Oval if not for Hair.

btw Indian 2006 onwards>>> Pakistan 2006 onwards

Though I would not call that Pakistan side **** just inconsistent.

 

[HMas]

Ind lost in SL,SA,Aus,Pak.

 

[Xuhaib]

Ind lost in SL,SA,Aus,Pak.

yup but still there over all record has been better then Pak for the last 2 years.

 

[Precambrian]

First you said we are talking about test matches then you bring up CB and Pakistan would have won Oval if not for Hair.

btw Indian 2006 onwards>>> Pakistan 2006 onwards

Though I would not call that Pakistan side **** just inconsistent.

Pakistan might have won the Oval Test. Ok, but would that change the series result? Get some idea about what you are talking instead of constantly moaning about Ovalgate thousand times per 10 posts.

India side is of course way ahead of Pakistani side. And looking at the quality of Test players Pakistan now possess, I feel Pakistan will go through a rough patch for quite some time. Unless some seasoned players like Imran Farhat or Abdul Razzak comes back from the ICL.

India too will face such a phase when Tendulkar bows out. But the backup looks quite strong. And bowling attack is pretty steady at the moment.

 

[Precambrian]

Ind lost in SL,SA,Aus,Pak.

Only in 2 countries SL and Aus since Aug 2006, the period in review

 

[HMas]

Pak beat SL in SL, NZ in NZ & WI ,Ind in Pak.....

 

[Precambrian]

Pak beat SL in SL, NZ in NZ & WI ,Pak in Pak.....

 

[Xuhaib]

Pakistan might have won the Oval Test. Ok, but would that change the series result? Get some idea about what you are talking instead of constantly moaning about Ovalgate thousand times per 10 posts.

India side is of course way ahead of Pakistani side. And looking at the quality of Test players Pakistan now possess, I feel Pakistan will go through a rough patch for quite some time. Unless some seasoned players like Imran Farhat or Abdul Razzak comes back from the ICL.

India too will face such a phase when Tendulkar bows out. But the backup looks quite strong. And bowling attack is pretty steady at the moment.

Atleast we managed to stage a superb comeback by defeating Australia at Perth

So that changed the series result now you will start jumping like a monkey() that the series was still alive. You say back up looks strong for India so India will be fine, How can you say Indian back up is > Pakistan back up when you have not seen the Pakistani back up play.

Back ups are an unproven commodity so don't suggest that India will be better able to recover since their suppose back ups are stronger

 

[Precambrian]

You say back up looks strong for India so India will be fine, How can you say Indian back up is > Pakistan back up when you have not seen the Pakistani back up play.

Back ups are an unproven commodity so don't suggest that India will be better able to recover since their suppose back ups are stronger

Precisely because of that. Indian backups have had some exposure to playing International teams through ODIs, and A matches. While Pakistan's elite team itself will not be complete without some debutantes.

 

[Xuhaib]

Precisely because of that. Indian backups have had some exposure to playing International teams through ODIs, and A matches. While Pakistan's elite team itself will not be complete without some debutantes.

But if a player is quality he is quite likely to make his presence felt in his first few opportunities.

And despite the greater exposure none of the Indian new comers apart from Ishant Sharma and re-emergance of Gambhir look like future world stars. Munaf, RP, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Karthick, Parveen Kumar look serviceable at best.

 

[Precambrian]

But if a player is quality he is quite likely to make his presence felt in his first few opportunities.

And despite the greater exposure none of the Indian new comers apart from Ishant Sharma and re-emergance of Gambhir look like future world stars. Munaf, RP, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Karthick, Parveen Kumar look serviceable at best.

Ishant Sharma and Gambhir are two huge bonuses considering they not only emerged as World Class, but also filled the major holes in the Indian lineup for quite some time. A good opener to partner Sehwag without compromising on the runrate in all forms of the game, and a pace spearhead.

The only worry that should affect India could be whom to succeed Tendulkar. However Tendulkar looks in prime condition to last till 2011, so that leaves quite some time to groom his successor, who at present looks like Rohit Sharma. Laxman will be around for another 3 years. Dravid's replacement will be Badrinath who in all likelihood will contribute more than what Dravid's been contributing over the last two years.

Pakistan however lacks a solid opening combination. With the IC-exiLe of Mohd Yusuf, the middle order has only two guys to speak of, Misbah and Younis. Wicketkeeping is still a headache for them. Kamran Akmal has shown hardly the skill required of a test keeper though he is a good batsman. And among bowlers only Gul looks anywhere near Test class. That leaves a lot of gaping holes.

 

[Xuhaib]

Ishant Sharma and Gambhir are two huge bonuses considering they not only emerged as World Class, but also filled the major holes in the Indian lineup for quite some time. A good opener to partner Sehwag without compromising on the runrate in all forms of the game, and a pace spearhead.

The only worry that should affect India could be whom to succeed Tendulkar. However Tendulkar looks in prime condition to last till 2011, so that leaves quite some time to groom his successor, who at present looks like Rohit Sharma. Laxman will be around for another 3 years. Dravid's replacement will be Badrinath who in all likelihood will contribute more than what Dravid's been contributing over the last two years.

Pakistan however lacks a solid opening combination. With the IC-exiLe of Mohd Yusuf, the middle order has only two guys to speak of, Misbah and Younis. Wicketkeeping is still a headache for them. Kamran Akmal has shown hardly the skill required of a test keeper though he is a good batsman. And among bowlers only Gul looks anywhere near Test class. That leaves a lot of gaping holes.[/QUOTE

Though agree with your point that Pakistan has more areas to fill, but calling Rohit Sharma as Sachin replacement is a joke,

Rohit has not produced the goods yet despite quite a few opportunities, he looks like another Ian Bell though he time to prove me wrong, again saying Badrinath will do better then Dravid is another silly assumption. Yes he might do better then current Dravid but do India want a no 3 who constantly averages 30?. Gambhir and Sehwag awesomeness has allowed India to bear Dravid failures but its not certain how long this golden peak for Sehwag and especially for Gambhir will continue especially on non sub-cont tracks.

Your points come across as foolish and without thought its like If I come across and say we don' have to worry about Shoaib's retirement and opening pair woes. Sohail Khan will be faster and more lethal, Ahmed Shezad and Azhar Ali will score more runs then the current openers. Yes they might just but there is lots of ifs and buts involved so its silly to argue based on it.

 

[Manee]

Will be at school so will miss the first ODI but am highly intent to see how everyone performs in this series.

 

[Uppercut]

Only in 2 countries SL and Aus since Aug 2006, the period in review

I may be wrong but i thought the 2-1 loss in SA was in 2007?