Should Matthew Hayden retire?

[James90]

Poor bloke has probably put down more catches this series than he's taken. Doesn't really have a leg to stand on. Ponting will have his work cut out trying to keep him in the team

 

[Matt79]

Would have been very relieved when Midge got through Smith this arvo after he dropped Ntini. That would have really had the lynch mob out with their torches and pitchforks.

 

[Uppercut]

I don't think playing tests when he's out of form is good for him or the team. It's like with Dravid- don't play him if he's playing badly, but don't force him to retire just because he's having a bad patch. 37 might be too old to consider a return, but you never know.

Also worth mentioning that Phil Jaques averages 47 from his first 11 tests, and scored 108 in his last innings. If he's fit for the tour, it's not like Australia don't have a worthy replacement.

 

[Matt79]

I'd previously thought that if dropped he'd definitely retire, but I guess he'd probably try to get some runs for Qld and hope Katich or Jaques either get injured or have a run of outs, and from there try to wangle a spot on the Ashes tour. If he isn't named in the Ashes squad, he'll certainly retire (startlingly outlandish prediction, I know).

 

[Richard]

You know what'd be really awesome? If Jaques was fit for SA, was brought back into the touring squad, and Katich was dropped for the opening Test for him because they thought Jaques' inclusion "suited the conditions" more.

At least that way one wrong would be righted, and it'd mean Hayden stayed in the team to, hopefully, fail in SA. Then there'd be a guaranteed replacement in Katich.

 

[Evermind]

You know what'd be really awesome? If Jaques was fit for SA, was brought back into the touring squad, and Katich was dropped for the opening Test for him because they thought Jaques' inclusion "suited the conditions" more.

At least that way one wrong would be righted, and it'd mean Hayden stayed in the team to, hopefully, fail in SA. Then there'd be a guaranteed replacement in Katich.

Why, again, was this troll unbanned?

 

[Richard]

Why, again, do you continue to comment on matters on which you have precisely zero idea? (IE, me)

 

[Evermind]

Why, again, do you continue to comment on matters on which you have precisely zero idea? (IE, me)

I merely said that you are

1) A troll
2) Unbanned

- both of which are true.

 

[Richard]

No, neither are true. To be "unbanned" you need to have had a perminant ban (else the ban won't be "undone", it'll merely expire); my recent thing was a seven-dayer.

If I was "a troll" - whatever that vague and meaningless term is supposed to mean - then more people would acknowledge such a thing. However, the few who try to make the suggestion are a) just that - a few and b) mostly (though not all) terrible-quality posters who add nothing whatsoever to the forum.

 

[Matt79]

You know what'd be really awesome? If Jaques was fit for SA, was brought back into the touring squad, and Katich was dropped for the opening Test for him because they thought Jaques' inclusion "suited the conditions" more.

At least that way one wrong would be righted, and it'd mean Hayden stayed in the team to, hopefully, fail in SA. Then there'd be a guaranteed replacement in Katich.

I hope he continues, certainly, and I hope he fails all the way through the SA tour and the England one. Not specifically below 50 BTW, his career average against Test-standard teams is already below that. Though I would like his post-2001/02 average to drop below 50 as well if poss. But I just want it all to go as low as possible, because then those who insist that career average is all that matters will thus judge him accordingly. Won't affect how I judge him, I've already long since made-up my mind there, but it might well do for others who don't take sufficient note of how an average is broken down.

In that post you just quoted I'm simply talking from the POV of someone who wants
Australia to do as well as possible.

Amazingly after all this time the basic direness of many of your thoughts on cricket still surprises.

 

[Evermind]

No, neither are true. To be "unbanned" you need to have had a perminant ban (else the ban won't be "undone", it'll merely expire); my recent thing was a seven-dayer.

Perminant! Hmm. Is that like peppermint?

If I was "a troll" - whatever that vague and meaningless term is supposed to mean - then more people would acknowledge such a thing. However, the few who try to make the suggestion are a) just that - a few and b) mostly (though not all) terrible-quality posters who add nothing whatsoever to the forum.

Irony rains down and seeps into my ears. You're a troll of the worst kind - the kind that's unintentionally posting rubbish. The least one expects of a troll is a sense of humour. And a giant, hairy, naked torso, but I can't verify that over the intarweb.

 

[Richard]

Amazingly after all this time the basic direness of many of your thoughts on cricket still surprises.

Two = many now does it?

 

[Richard]

Perminant! Hmm. Is that like peppermint?

No. Look it up in a dictionary. It means "existing perpetually; everlasting".

Irony rains down and seeps into my ears.

In that most people around here find you ill-informed in just about every post, especially those relating to other posters?

You're a troll of the worst kind - the kind that's unintentionally posting rubbish.

I don't post rubbish, intentionally or unintentionally. Learn to decipher before trying to patronise, else you'll make a considerable fool of yourself with considerable regularity.

 

[GIMH]

No. Look it up in a dictionary. It means "existing perpetually; everlasting".

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He's commenting on your spelling: it should be permanent

 

[Richard]

I don't take kindly to people attempting to be condescending by making a considerable issue of two misplaced letters. So I'll be condescending back. The meaning was obvious even if the spelling was inperfect.

 

[Furball]

I don't take kindly to people attempting to be condescending by making a considerable issue of two misplaced letters. So I'll be condescending back. The meaning was obvious even if the spelling was inperfect.

Which doesn't help matters, and as a staff member you should be above this sort of nonsense.

 

[Richard]

Well, more accurately people should have the basic intelligence to realise that people aren't going to be employed as staff members if they're such poor-quality types. Just because I'm a staff member doesn't mean I must allow the rabble to take ignorant potshots all day long.

 

[Anil]

don't know if this has already been posted here but here goes:

hayden dropped from one-day squads and it looks like they are rethinking his test future as well..

 

[IndGunner]

Dire times ahead for hayden i loved the "not particularly happy" lol.

 

[aussie]

This is conversation with me & one of my Asian cats just now who hates England & Australia. With respect to the Hayden situation & KP. I think it was funny.

(Proper English)

Asian Cat: Hey son. You must have been peeing your pants last night man, i hearD you where cursing up your mother and everything over those bandits (Australia)..

Me: Ha, nah. What ever had to happen, had to happen & it did. Don't worry though, Australia will catch them in the return series.

Asian. Stop kidding yourself i know you, crazy Mofo. I see your boy Boozer (Ponting) said he is still backing dead man Hayden.

Me: Yep, Hayden still got it, you dont worry

Asian: Haha. But i wonder, if the selectors don't pick Hayden for South Africa. Will Ponting do like KP with forceful demands suggest "its either me or Hayden"

Me: Haha, you crazy man. Go and sleep

Asian Cat: I heard the *** addict (Warne) commentating now. He tell yall about what he did to that South African Nurse??