***Official West Indies in New Zealand***

[Jigga988]

That battle between Mr M and WW made for pretty interesting reading. I agree with Mr M re. Bishoo. Jaggernauth definitely did not get a chance and have always said he is the best spinner in the Windies. In addition to this don't we pick enough inexperienced players, the Aussies were on top because they had a gelled side who were all highly experienced, they are now falling from their thrown because inexperience is creeping in. My point being that we have so many eratic inexperienced players in the side do we really need a nother one. Our bowling line up is unbelievably eratic with the likes of Powell and Edwards and you want to throw an inexperienced spinner in there... give me a break.

I didn't however like the way Mr M so defiantly put the Windies team down, I don't think for one second that NZ are better than the Windies, I think where at least similar, that being made evident by the tour it self.

Already spoken a bit about Jordan, don't see anything that special in him, he would be hard-pressed to be as good as Bravo. Yes, he does bolster our tail, which is needed right now, but i would like to see him become an established county player before he is put any where near a Windies shirt. Though having said that when you have absolute rubbish such as Pollard playing you ask your self why not give him a try. Until Pollard learns to bat properly and gets a head on those broad shoulders i dont think he should be in the ODI side. There is potential for the guy in OD cricket but we are ruining him way too early.

 

[S.P. Fleming]

lets get ready for a 3 match ODI series!

 

[roseboy64]

One would hope Pollard learns from his failures. If he doesn't we've got another Dwayne Smith on our hands.

 

[Polo23]

Can anyone living in Chch give us an update on weather? Is it likely to stop raining at any point, or is this going to be another washed out South Island match? The farmers will be praying for more cricket games.

 

[Zinzan]

Can anyone living in Chch give us an update on weather? Is it likely to stop raining at any point, or is this going to be another washed out South Island match? The farmers will be praying for more cricket games.

I'm about 3 kms away from the stadium and its pissing cats, dogs & a few hail-stones to boot. Will be a wash-out.

 

[Zinzan]

The farmers will be praying for more cricket games.

Damn farmers out-praying cricket fans

 

[Polo23]

I'm about 3 kms away from the stadium and its pissing cats, dogs & a few hail-stones to boot. Will be a wash-out.

Whats up with all of the South Island games being wash outs this season? How very frustrating.

 

[_Ed_]

Especially since it was sunny and 32 degrees down there yesterday!

 

[Matt52]

Whats up with all of the South Island games being wash outs this season? How very frustrating.

Yeah, cmon, South Island, ...... get a %$£% climate.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Ok, you win. The West Indian attack is high quality. I'm sure all will agree.

Distorting my views again?, what a surprise , i never said they are top of the tree, i'm merely saying they are not "mediocre" like you suggested

Bravo has nothing to do with my point. Read it again.

You tried to slam the bowlers perfomances against NZ when we're without one of our main men so i'd be inclined to believe i "read" it just right thanks

Right. You're definitely watching the West Indies team that takes 20 wickets whenever the batsmen give them a chance. Definitely.

No it couldn't be that the bowlers are not as bad as you suggest could it?, oh no never that "it's the opposition slacking"..

Another whoosh. It's astounding. The point is that you can't write off a player after one Test. That much is blatantly obvious.

who do you think we are talking about here?.. Murili?, the guy is NOT THAT GOOD and when he had his chance he didn't impress, you think the selectors would purposely fail to select him if he was up to standard?, i don't think so, they've proven that they are prepard to give spinners a chance with Benn and Miller getting chances of late

Jason Bennett, Kenroy Peters, Ravi Rampaul, Richard Kelly, Rayad Emrit are all worthy of selection ahead of Chris Jordan.

now i know you're desparate.. , Ravi Rampaul?, don't make me laugh, the majority of these guys won't be playing for WI anytime soon and rightly so.

Jaggernauth took 40 wickets in 6 first-class games last season. He has one mediocre Test against Australia and suddenly he's gone backward. Hard to argue with that logic.

He's been left in the dust by Miller what other logic do you need?

And now I've mentioned several. Chris Jordan is not an allrounder until he proves he can bat at a significant level of cricket. Thus far he has done nothing of the sort.

Ok we clearly won't agree with this, you think he isn't an all rounder but his club, Chris himself and me think he is, no doubt your right and "all of us are wrong"

No, I see what you're saying now. It's the classic if-at-first-you-don't-succeed, and it's foolproof.

I'm not the one contradicting myself saying all the bowlers are "mediocre" then saying they are "decent test bowlers"

By picking an "allrounder" who can't bat and can hardly bowl, as of yet. And the problem with Bishoo is that he's washed up. See, in his first FC match he took 5-29 against one oft he weakest batting lineups in a weak FC tournament. But in his next, and most recent match, he was expensive and took 2 wickets for 150odd. He's clearly taken a step backward, so let's move on. Samuel Badree perhaps?

And how many times have you seen Chris play exactly?, because your view of his ability is so floored that i'm inclined to believe you haven't actually seen him play, and by the way Bishoo is only 22 so pulling up stats on one of his off days is quite ridiculous really, it's his technique that sets him apart, try watching him instead of looking online for stats

Is Pollard playing county cricket? Worst point.

I didn't say he did, the fact is he's playing at a much weaker level and ain't exactly performing miracles

 

[Polo23]

How is this West Indies bowling lineup anything but mediocre? Almost all of them average over 40 with the ball in test cricket. Mediocre would be a step up.

 

[Athlai]

How is this West Indies bowling lineup anything but mediocre? Almost all of them average over 40 with the ball in test cricket. Mediocre would be a step up.

Both Edwards and Taylor RIGHT now (not including their dire starts to Test cricket) are easily sub 32 averaging bowlers. Yet besides them WI currently have nothing to write home about at all. I mean Powell really is usually quite awful and Collymore doesn't play Test's apparently. Crazy stuff.

 

[TT Boy]

Both Edwards and Taylor RIGHT now (not including their dire starts to Test cricket) are easily sub 32 averaging bowlers. Yet besides them WI currently have nothing to write home about at all. I mean Powell really is usually quite awful and Collymore doesn't play Test's apparently. Crazy stuff.

He can't, his gone Kolpak.

 

[Athlai]

He can't, his gone Kolpak.

Yeah but it's a waste of what would have made this attack actually quite good.

 

[WindieWeathers]

How is this West Indies bowling lineup anything but mediocre? Almost all of them average over 40 with the ball in test cricket. Mediocre would be a step up.

What does that say about your batting line-up then?, if our bowlers are so "medicore" why can't your boys beat us then?.. , and if you think you have a better trio of fast bowlers then Edwards, Taylor and Bravo then your having a giggle.

 

[Polo23]

Both Edwards and Taylor RIGHT now (not including their dire starts to Test cricket) are easily sub 32 averaging bowlers. Yet besides them WI currently have nothing to write home about at all. I mean Powell really is usually quite awful and Collymore doesn't play Test's apparently. Crazy stuff.

Edwards has only averaged sub 30 in 2008, that is a pretty small sample considering there is a much larger sample of him being rubbish. However, I do think he is a decent bowler. Taylor is similar to Edwards, though Taylor averaged 40.90 against the 8th ranked test team in the world (NZ)...though i'd rate Taylor as West Indies best quick, by quite a long way.

Altogether as a bowling unit the West Indies a pretty poor, and that's putting it nicely. To suggest they are anything more than that is ludicrous and there simply isnt any substantial evidence to back it up.

 

[TT Boy]

Yeah but it's a waste of what would have made this attack actually quite good.

I thought Corey was pretty much finished as an international bowler, lost his nip. Pedro Collins was the bigger loss for me.

 

[Athlai]

What does that say about your batting line-up then?, if our bowlers are so "medicore" why can't your boys beat us then?.. , and if you think you have a better trio of fast bowlers then Edwards, Taylor and Bravo then your having a giggle.

It rained in the first Test and we ran out of time in the second on a rather flat track due to Gayle heroics. NZ outplayed West Indies but didn't beat them showing how close the teams in fact are.

And you overrate Bravo a fair amount, he's not even quite as good as Oram yet and you already have him as your 3rd best seamer? Shows the extent of the gap between the best two West Indian bowlers and the rest.

While the West Indies have some fantastic players: Gayle, Chanderpaul,

and very competent players: Bravo, Taylor, Edwards, Sarwan (Nash possibly and Marshall in the future)

Their are a few places in the team that need to be filled before the team will really begin to get a few wins under their belts.

(btw I'm a big WI fan)

 

[Athlai]

I thought Corey was pretty much finished as an international bowler, lost his nip. Pedro Collins was the bigger loss for me.

Collymore could have played a veterans role in the lineup, broken partnerships and the like for me.

 

[Polo23]

What does that say about your batting line-up then?, if our bowlers are so "medicore" why can't your boys beat us then?.. , and if you think you have a better trio of fast bowlers then Edwards, Taylor and Bravo then your having a giggle.

Last time I checked Bravo was injured. I believe Edwards, Taylor and Powell is your current quick bowling trio.

New Zealand were easily the dominant side in the two test series, a rained out match and one fantastic out of character innings (not to mention a terrible umpiring decision) saved the West Indies from losing the series, which can happen in a two match series. I don't recall the West Indies ever being on top in the series.

And yeah, i'd definitely say O'Brien, Mills and Martin/Franklin are a better fast bowling trio than Edwards, Taylor and Powell. Hell, you only have to look at their records to work that out. How can you justify saying Edwards, Taylor and Powell are better? Their performances just don't stack up.