**Official** New Zealand in Australia

[Rant0r]

It has nothing to do wtih other batsman. You wanted to swap White with Elliott, which is crazy.

i simply don't rate him any higher than a grade cricketer, me comparing him to other australian batsmen was justifying why, as for elliot i haven't seen enough of him yet, but prepared to take that punt :P

nz fans are always so damning, everyone is compared to chris cairns

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

what does it have to do with ?

I give up.

I distinctly remember in the 01/02 season Tony Greig saying during the third test between Aus and NZ whilst the camera was on some RSA players in the crowd or nets (can't exactly remember which) that they were the real test and what everyone is looking forward to.

South Africa really delivered on that front.

Indeed.
South Africa always fail to deliver, and I can't see how this time will be any different.

 

[inbox24]

It has nothing to do wtih other batsman. You wanted to swap White with Elliott, which is crazy.

I think White is a slightly better batsman than Elliot, it was just the India tour was extremely tough. Elliot's definitely better with the ball though.

 

[NZTailender]

white's a slogger with a good eye, plenty of batsmen to chose from in australia who average that or much higher in the best domestic competition in australia, and going by recent results, they might want a tight well honed technique against the moving ball, which white does not.

He's not simply a slogger, which many people here will attest to from watching him play FC cricket for Victoria.

And as far as other batsmen go, we're not talking about them, we're talking about who we'd rather have out of Elliott and White. There's 10 other batsman that I can immediately think of who I'd want ahead of White.

 

[NZTailender]

nz fans are always so damning, everyone is compared to chris cairns

Invariably, the all-rounders get compared to Chris Cairns initially because Cairns was a great all-rounder. The batsmen usually get compared to Crowe, and the quicks to Hadlee.

Just like Australian spinners get compared to Warne.

 

[Matt52]

Redmond needs to be replaced with another specialist opener, and not a middle order bat.

Youre right but we dont have one. I say stick with Redmond as a sacrifice wicket in the next test and try and find a new guy for the West Indies series.

 

[Rant0r]

South Africa always fail to deliver, and I can't see how this time will be any different.

i wouldn't say they fail to deliver, but they certainly fail to deliver as well as they can, the last tour they played well and then did their choking act a couple of times, but then australia were still in awesome power mode. i still look forward to it, but nz always lift for australia and play better than they should, from that SA should learn

I think White is a slightly better batsman than Elliot, it was just the India tour was extremely tough. Elliot's definitely better with the ball though.

my opinion of white was well before india, he's one of those 'great hopes' that that australian selectors earmark early and give all sorts of opportunities... like henriques, who i am interested to see how he develops.

is kyle mills injured ?

 

[NZTailender]

Youre right but we dont have one. I say stick with Redmond as a sacrifice wicket in the next test and try and find a new guy for the West Indies series.

Craig Cumming is a good alternate option - shouldn't really have been dropped in the first place.

Michael Papps skill wise is better than Redmond, and hasn't benefitted from playing his bogey team in nearly all of his career.

 

[Rant0r]

Youre right but we dont have one. I say stick with Redmond as a sacrifice wicket in the next test and try and find a new guy for the West Indies series.

sacrifice wicket ?

 

[Craig]

white's a slogger with a good eye, plenty of batsmen to chose from in australia who average that or much higher in the best domestic competition in australia, and going by recent results, they might want a tight well honed technique against the moving ball, which white does not.

Nobody said he would be batting at 4. He would be batting ahead of McCullum or at the very worst one below.

 

[inbox24]

Youre right but we dont have one. I say stick with Redmond as a sacrifice wicket in the next test and try and find a new guy for the West Indies series.

The idea of 'sacrifice wicket' is totally unacceptable. The way Redmond's gone replacing him with any batsman should yield better results. Haven't NZ got anyone? What about guys like Broom, or Guptil or Anderson?

 

[Craig]

The idea of 'sacrifice wicket' is totally unacceptable. The way Redmond's gone replacing him with any batsman should yield better results. Haven't NZ got anyone? What about guys like Broom, or Guptil or Anderson?

Middle order batsmen?

 

[NZTailender]

The idea of 'sacrifice wicket' is totally unacceptable. The way Redmond's gone replacing him with any batsman should yield better results. Haven't NZ got anyone? What about guys like Broom, or Guptil or Anderson?

We've tried that theory. Bracewell argued that your best batsman should play, regardless of their batting preference. Hamish Marshall and Peter Fulton were subsequently tried, and failed, putting that theory to rest.

There are no back up openers in the squad, and frankly there are no openers who are good enough to succeed in Australia at the current time, nor any player good enough to successfully make the middle-order to opener transition.

Guptill is actually an opener though, and one of few who should be considered for our home Tests.

I'd hunt Bracewell down and give him a a good kicking if he picked Anderson to open now, or Broom for that matter.

Redmond has gotten used to Australian conditions slightly, and actually has some cricket behind him. All the other options have only just started in our Domestic season at home, and those who have had experience of Australian conditions (just Bell IIRC) don't deserve to be called up.

So, in short, I don't think it's worth calling up someone who hasn't really earned it for a single Test against the best team in one of the hardest countries to play in.

 

[Rant0r]

Nobody said he would be batting at 4. He would be batting ahead of McCullum or at the very worst one below.

probably still put mccullum's batting ahead of white, but just looking at this test match, not by much.

 

[Craig]

We've tried that theory. Bracewell argued that your best batsman should play, regardless of their batting preference. Hamish Marshall and Peter Fulton were subsequently tried, and failed, putting that theory to rest.

There are no back up openers in the squad, and frankly there are no openers who are good enough to succeed in Australia at the current time, nor any player good enough to successfully make the middle-order to opener transition.

Guptill is actually an opener though, and one of few who should be considered for our home Tests.

I'd hunt Bracewell down and give him a a good kicking if he picked Anderson to open now, or Broom for that matter.

I get your point but wouldn't we do that in the first place?

 

[NZTailender]

I get your point but wouldn't we do that in the first place?

Has a few deserving kickings in the bank, itbt.

 

[Rant0r]

There are no back up openers in the squad, and frankly there are no openers who are good enough to succeed in Australia at the current time

tough ask anytime. in fact, tough ask for a middle order batsman anytime. perhaps blooding someone isn't such a bad idea.

 

[Matt52]

tough ask anytime. in fact, tough ask for a middle order batsman anytime. perhaps blooding someone isn't such a bad idea.

Actually, to me ,, Flynn seems to have the grittiness of an opener, and a left-right combination opening is always useful( dont know who the right hander is), maybe its to early, hes still finding his feet but after a season or so he might be the answer to one of the opening spots.

 

[Rant0r]

Actually, to me ,, Flynn seems to have the grittiness of an opener, and a left-right combination opening is always useful( dont know who the right hander is), maybe its to early, hes still finding his feet but after a season or so he might be the answer to one of the opening spots.

i think 5 is his limit, but i also wouldn't stick with someone who is not performing simply due to there being 'no one else ready', throw a young bloke in there, make an inspired selection, if it fails, well then you can put it down to just being NZ :P

 

[Craig]

I have to say I have been very impressed with Flynn in this Test. Despite the determination he has shown, he can play some wonderful cricketing shots. A star for mine.