**Official** New Zealand in Australia

[Rant0r]

Okay, so here where you're failing to see the problem.

Langer was asked to open, and succeeded. Katich was asked, and is succeeding.

Fulton was asked to open, and failed. He is not an opener, he is not a makeshift opener, and he shouldn't be asked to open again. It can only result negatively for Fulton and the Black Caps.

Also, it's not like the New Zealand middle order is chock full of world class batsmen. Langer and Katich couldn't get into the middle order because it was so solid with class batsman, and the only place open was the opening position, either because someone was dropped or injured.

yet you're comparing it with a fast bowler bowling legspin ?

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

yet you're comparing it with a fast bowler bowling legspin ?

A fast bowler should get picked to bowl fast.
A legspinner should get picked to bowl legspin.
An opener should get picked to open.
A middle order player should get picked to play in the middle order.

Need I go on?

 

[Craig]

Symonds on, what price a wicket?

 

[freckleslol]

Flynn averaging 50 in Test cricket now

 

[NZTailender]

yet you're comparing it with a fast bowler bowling legspin ?

It was an anology. Someone being asked to do something that they don't usually do. It rarely succeeds. For every successful middle-order-turned-opener there are more unsuccessful ones.

Lou Vincent, Stephen Fleming, James & Hamish Marshall, Peter Fulton, Mathew Sinclair, Roger Twose are Kiwi's who have all tried their hands at opening despite not being specialists, with little or no success.

 

[Craig]

Flynn averaging 50 in Test cricket now

And yet hes does not have a 50 next to his name.

 

[Rant0r]

A fast bowler should get picked to bowl fast.
A legspinner should get picked to bowl legspin.
An opener should get picked to open.
A middle order player should get picked to play in the middle order.

Need I go on?

yes however any specialist batsmen should have the ability to play anywhere in the top 7, of course they will have preferences and positions they play better in, a fast bowler could not conceivably be asked to bowl spin (apart from colin miller), i didn't think the idea of fulton opening was that ridiculous, i don't know how many times he's done it so far to be considered a failure for the rest of his career

 

[Craig]

Go Taylor.

 

[Rant0r]

It was an anology. Someone being asked to do something that they don't usually do. It rarely succeeds. For every successful middle-order-turned-opener there are more unsuccessful ones.

Lou Vincent, Stephen Fleming, James & Hamish Marshall, Peter Fulton, Mathew Sinclair, Roger Twose are Kiwi's who have all tried their hands at opening despite not being specialists, with little or no success.

that could also be more reflective of the talent or lack of in nz, plenty of cricketers have done it worldwide

and i also wasn't aware than vincent and sinclair weren't specialists at opening. i guess that means neither is sehwag

and for the record fulton has opened 4 times out of 10, all against south africa (not easy either)

 

[NZTailender]

yes however any specialist batsmen should have the ability to play anywhere in the top 7, of course they will have preferences and positions they play better in, a fast bowler could not conceivably be asked to bowl spin (apart from colin miller), i didn't think the idea of fulton opening was that ridiculous, i don't know how many times he's done it so far to be considered a failure for the rest of his career

No, there's such a thing as technique. It's why some batsman, despite being great at say number 5, struggle when batting at say, 3. There's also a mental aspect to it as well.

If a number 3 comes in at the score one down and in the first over, it may appear to be just the same as opening, but it isn't, for the simple fact his first job will be to make sure not to get out soon otherwise a collapse will happen.

 

[Precambrian]

B.Leeding here.

 

[NZTailender]

that could also be more reflective of the talent or lack of in nz, plenty of cricketers have done it worldwide

In the past 20 or so years? Name 15.

and i also wasn't aware than vincent and sinclair weren't specialists at opening. i guess that means neither is sehwag

If you're a batsman who at domestic level bats in the middle order but opens in Tests for some reason, you're not a specialist opener.

However if you used to bat in the middle order but then got promoted to open, and then also change to opening in First Class cricket, you become a specialist.

Katich bats at 3 for NSW, Vincent usually bats at 4, and Sinclair at 3. I believe Sehwag opens at both domestic and international level now.

 

[social]

Wouldnt surprise me to see the Kiwis make a real match of this

Wicket is flattening out and attack has sameness about it

 

[NZTailender]

Taylor, so awesome. Was afraid before the series that he'd struggle, even though I believe he has it in him to score against the world's best. So glad he's doing well.

 

[social]

Haddin continues his nightmare run

 

[Precambrian]

Taylor, so awesome. Was afraid before the series that he'd struggle, even though I believe he has it in him to score against the world's best. So glad he's doing well.

He is class, the best hope to come out of NZ these days. Hopefully he has the temperament and not become an Ashraful.

 

[Craig]

50 up.

 

[pasag]

One more wicket before stumps would be nice.

 

[social]

Tim Nielsen being interviewed - waiting for the idiot comment

 

[Craig]

So we are going to see a repeat of Nagpur now?