biased indian
International Coach
No the late night flight back to londonIs he gonna be druving the team bus back to the hotel....
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biased indian
International Coach
dont think it easy for nay team to chase 380 on any wicket..thought 320-330 was par for the ground
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Diabolical from England today. No excuse for conceding 380 on any wicket, with any size boundaries, IMO. Worried about our top order's inability to get a start in ODI cricket, too.
Jungle Jumbo
International Vice-Captain
Haha, love the Indian presentation ceremonies. Yuvraj on a motorbike; Dhoni on a motorbike; blokes with aviators; oversized cardboard keys; people everywhere. Superb.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Pretty much what I was going to say.
Agreed with TT that his 50 doesn't prove a lot in the circumstances, but there are those who'd criticise him if he was out for single figures even at that stage of the game.
Can't avoid the conclusion that our top 3 are the worst from the proper test countries. By some distance.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Not true at all with Goughy. He legitimately doesn't care about ODIs at all.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Id obviously be happier if England won the World Cup than not, but It wouldnt unduly upset me if England lost every ODI game from now until my old age.
biased indian
International Coach
Thtas what happen when you have too many sponsors
you have to watch the progrmmes in tv after the match is over..ther will be sponsor to show you everthing
seperate sponsor for runout,six, fours ,wickets ,catch,fifties hundreds...you name it and you will get a sponsors
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Thing is that KP's been very public in his support for Shah and obv Bopara isn't his personal fave after today. I'm not overly thrilled about selection being dependent on the skipper's ego, but that's the way of things right now.
Precambrian
Banned
Ever since the Sydney test, they also have this "XXX(Sponsor name) Spirit of Cricket Award".
Yuvraj was featured in that segment, two clips showing him hitting fours with a bad back.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Just ODIs, so I'm not too fussed, but I hope Yuvraj doesn't come back into the Tests based on these performances.
Precambrian
Banned
T'was alas in good sense!
pup11
International Coach
You don't compare mere mortals with gods and that's what SS might say to you!
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
What?
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Here's a wrap for both sides after England's horrendous performance here.
Rajkot is not SCG, Lords or even Kingsmead or Basin Reserve. Performances here should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Indians were erroneously sent in to bat on what Indians would call a 'patta' wicket, or English fans would claim was ripped off the M5 Motorway. The small size of the ground and the proximity of the boundary ropes was another factor. Yes, the Indians gobbled up England's superior bowling attack, but come to another ground, and the result will be different.
Matt Prior is a walking wicket. He can't get you a good innings at the top of the order, unless a high of 14 in 17 deliveries is a good innings. He doesn't have the temperament, the strokes or the power to be anywhere above eight in the order. Alastair Cook missed out, and we wonder why. His early dismissal triggered several, and the match was over. Cook is clearly a far better batsman than any of the top three, and that should be thought about.
The Indians batted superbly to score 387, but the bowling was sub-par, and the way Dhoni handled the bowlers was questionable. Your top bowler gets only seven overs with three wickets, and at a time when they could have had crushed the lower order of England, they instead bowled Sehwag for nine overs. We don't know what he can achieve by this. Sehwag is a proven failure with the ball and shouldn't have got more than the three regulation overs for a part-timer in 50. He's bowled nine excessively costly overs, gave the English lower order a lifeline, and it remains to be seen if it will affect his batting. Look, he's struggling to keep a batting average over 40, and then you make a mockery of him by bowling him?
Flintoff bowled very well initially, and should have bowled out at a stretch. He was the only one keeping the rampaging Indian top order in check. He bowled fast, on the spot, and didn't look like wearing out. His batting, though, was a disappointment, but he got his chances. Samit Patel was used well as the partnership-breaker, getting rid of both the openers in quick succession, momentarily stalling the scoring rate. India could use someone like him, a batsman bowling a steady line to support, not a pies dished out by frontline batsmen that do nothing.
They have one in Yusuf Pathan. We've seen him in action in domestic OD matches, and at the (more or less) top of the rung, in the Challenger series, he's looked a thinking bowler. He's been hard to score off and takes a few risks, but he's one bowler who'll play for the team- unlike the part-timers, who are so weak the team has to play for them. But instead, we find a hidden motive- the Indian captain doesn't rate Yusuf at all. After three overs went for over thirty with Pietersen running wild, he was taken off, but when he could recover later on with new batsmen at the crease, if not have the main bowlers back, Dhoni used the mediocre Sehwag again. And then we wonder how the Indians lose the plot when in a good spot.
Ravi Bopara, Ravi Bopara! He's done well to exploit the weakness of the Indian bowling unit, smashing a few sixes and running really hard between wickets. Unfortunately, this running between wickets is itself questionable, especially when he ran out the in-form Pietersen. Stuart Broad played a meaningful chunk at the bottom of the order, and that's something the Indians can think about- get runs out of their bottom five. As usual, he was clean, correct and a strong hitter. Otherwise, there was nothing special about a dreadful England performance.
Is this a return to form of Yuvraj Singh? Many believe so. He's hit so many sixes, one of them was actually a mis-cue that took an edge and went straight out. This time, he didn't concentrate on smashing out Chris Broad Jr (as payback again for Daddy Match Ref's actions?), but got after everyone. One look at his innings suggests this was a sensible one, reminiscent of his form before the ill-fated Australia tour. Then again, this is Rajkot, and Rajkot is not the whole world.
The unsung hero, and a more deserving MOM, was Zaheer Khan. On a pitch that isn't going to give anything to the bowlers, he kept it steady, though slow, and got three wickets. Nowhere did he bowl anything loose, and that got the edges off tentative strokes, which was not surprising, given a nearly impossible total for England to chase. He had good support from Munaf and RP Singh. The fielding was largely good, but it's shocking to see RP Singh's fielding regress so much- it's almost as bad as Munaf's!
The Indian team totally outclassed an England team that questioned their adaptability from Tests to ODIs, but have been found wanting in adapting to Indian conditions, and then big match conditions. However, they had it easy, and may have won it before England walked out to bat. Would they win if they were defending a total of 290? With this kind of bowling performance, no way!
Rajkot is not SCG, Lords or even Kingsmead or Basin Reserve. Performances here should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Indians were erroneously sent in to bat on what Indians would call a 'patta' wicket, or English fans would claim was ripped off the M5 Motorway. The small size of the ground and the proximity of the boundary ropes was another factor. Yes, the Indians gobbled up England's superior bowling attack, but come to another ground, and the result will be different.
Matt Prior is a walking wicket. He can't get you a good innings at the top of the order, unless a high of 14 in 17 deliveries is a good innings. He doesn't have the temperament, the strokes or the power to be anywhere above eight in the order. Alastair Cook missed out, and we wonder why. His early dismissal triggered several, and the match was over. Cook is clearly a far better batsman than any of the top three, and that should be thought about.
The Indians batted superbly to score 387, but the bowling was sub-par, and the way Dhoni handled the bowlers was questionable. Your top bowler gets only seven overs with three wickets, and at a time when they could have had crushed the lower order of England, they instead bowled Sehwag for nine overs. We don't know what he can achieve by this. Sehwag is a proven failure with the ball and shouldn't have got more than the three regulation overs for a part-timer in 50. He's bowled nine excessively costly overs, gave the English lower order a lifeline, and it remains to be seen if it will affect his batting. Look, he's struggling to keep a batting average over 40, and then you make a mockery of him by bowling him?
Flintoff bowled very well initially, and should have bowled out at a stretch. He was the only one keeping the rampaging Indian top order in check. He bowled fast, on the spot, and didn't look like wearing out. His batting, though, was a disappointment, but he got his chances. Samit Patel was used well as the partnership-breaker, getting rid of both the openers in quick succession, momentarily stalling the scoring rate. India could use someone like him, a batsman bowling a steady line to support, not a pies dished out by frontline batsmen that do nothing.
They have one in Yusuf Pathan. We've seen him in action in domestic OD matches, and at the (more or less) top of the rung, in the Challenger series, he's looked a thinking bowler. He's been hard to score off and takes a few risks, but he's one bowler who'll play for the team- unlike the part-timers, who are so weak the team has to play for them. But instead, we find a hidden motive- the Indian captain doesn't rate Yusuf at all. After three overs went for over thirty with Pietersen running wild, he was taken off, but when he could recover later on with new batsmen at the crease, if not have the main bowlers back, Dhoni used the mediocre Sehwag again. And then we wonder how the Indians lose the plot when in a good spot.
Ravi Bopara, Ravi Bopara! He's done well to exploit the weakness of the Indian bowling unit, smashing a few sixes and running really hard between wickets. Unfortunately, this running between wickets is itself questionable, especially when he ran out the in-form Pietersen. Stuart Broad played a meaningful chunk at the bottom of the order, and that's something the Indians can think about- get runs out of their bottom five. As usual, he was clean, correct and a strong hitter. Otherwise, there was nothing special about a dreadful England performance.
Is this a return to form of Yuvraj Singh? Many believe so. He's hit so many sixes, one of them was actually a mis-cue that took an edge and went straight out. This time, he didn't concentrate on smashing out Chris Broad Jr (as payback again for Daddy Match Ref's actions?), but got after everyone. One look at his innings suggests this was a sensible one, reminiscent of his form before the ill-fated Australia tour. Then again, this is Rajkot, and Rajkot is not the whole world.
The unsung hero, and a more deserving MOM, was Zaheer Khan. On a pitch that isn't going to give anything to the bowlers, he kept it steady, though slow, and got three wickets. Nowhere did he bowl anything loose, and that got the edges off tentative strokes, which was not surprising, given a nearly impossible total for England to chase. He had good support from Munaf and RP Singh. The fielding was largely good, but it's shocking to see RP Singh's fielding regress so much- it's almost as bad as Munaf's!
The Indian team totally outclassed an England team that questioned their adaptability from Tests to ODIs, but have been found wanting in adapting to Indian conditions, and then big match conditions. However, they had it easy, and may have won it before England walked out to bat. Would they win if they were defending a total of 290? With this kind of bowling performance, no way!
Precambrian
Banned
I agree on the whole except with:
1. Sehwag being called mediocre - We saw him getting a test fifer not long ago, and while he's not the best finger-spinner going around, he is certainly good to bowl 10 overs in an ODI, and certainly better than what I saw of Yusuf Pathan. You said Rajkot was a small ground. Precisely why he was hit for s many runs, many of them cleared the boundary by miles, but some of them by just, and would have been catches in any other big ground.
2. A reason for Dhoni not resorting to his main bowlers was that the ball had become rough and the seam bowlers could not find the same movement as before. Secondly, the pitch was slowing up and the ball was also getting rough, and that stage, especially when the lower order English batsmen (purely by batting position, not by calibre), were hitting out, and giving some pace on it would have played into their hands. Obviously they are much better at hitting out off pacers than spinners.
3. While Zaheer did his share of stuff, I think he was letoff by an English top-order (again purely by batting position). They gave him too much respect, and completely looked happy with defending him or nudging him to fine leg and take a single. Noone dared to take out the faster bowlers, and I suspect had they, his figures would have surely looked worse. Munaf did a better job with line and length. Also Zaheer's scalp of Flintoff was a farce, as the ball pitched miles outside leg stump.
4. This could have been a batsmans paradise, however certainly not a 350+ wicket. And Yuvraj deserves every praise he gets due to hanging in there despite his back problem and then later cutting loose, and never letting the innings lose the momentum that the openers gave them. He might have mistimed some shots, but the others were pure delight and so crushing to the bowlers' egos. And also remember he didn't play the bowler, rather the ball, and showed that when Fred Flintoff came in for his final spell, and was carted for 34 runs in 2 overs as compared to 30odd he gave in 8 overs previous to it.
5. Pathan badly used by Dhoni? I disagree. Pathan was promoted ahead of Dhoni in the batting order which in itself is a huge encouragement, for it showed the faith of the captain in him, though he failed miserably. And in his first over he was carted for a six and gave 10 runs, but still was given another chance, which also failed. Pathan was introduced ahead of Bhajji also, which again shows the confidence in him. And despite the battering he got in early, he was again brought in at the end, when he got a wicket purely due to umpiring error.
6. One last point. Regarding RP Singh's bowling. He looked absolutely out of place in the Indian side there today. Completely lacking match practise, struggled to get his rhythm, line and length. Was carted. And was even worse in the field, where he misfielded atleast two boundaries. Guilty to a large extent of letting England get to a 200+ score.
1. Sehwag being called mediocre - We saw him getting a test fifer not long ago, and while he's not the best finger-spinner going around, he is certainly good to bowl 10 overs in an ODI, and certainly better than what I saw of Yusuf Pathan. You said Rajkot was a small ground. Precisely why he was hit for s many runs, many of them cleared the boundary by miles, but some of them by just, and would have been catches in any other big ground.
2. A reason for Dhoni not resorting to his main bowlers was that the ball had become rough and the seam bowlers could not find the same movement as before. Secondly, the pitch was slowing up and the ball was also getting rough, and that stage, especially when the lower order English batsmen (purely by batting position, not by calibre), were hitting out, and giving some pace on it would have played into their hands. Obviously they are much better at hitting out off pacers than spinners.
3. While Zaheer did his share of stuff, I think he was letoff by an English top-order (again purely by batting position). They gave him too much respect, and completely looked happy with defending him or nudging him to fine leg and take a single. Noone dared to take out the faster bowlers, and I suspect had they, his figures would have surely looked worse. Munaf did a better job with line and length. Also Zaheer's scalp of Flintoff was a farce, as the ball pitched miles outside leg stump.
4. This could have been a batsmans paradise, however certainly not a 350+ wicket. And Yuvraj deserves every praise he gets due to hanging in there despite his back problem and then later cutting loose, and never letting the innings lose the momentum that the openers gave them. He might have mistimed some shots, but the others were pure delight and so crushing to the bowlers' egos. And also remember he didn't play the bowler, rather the ball, and showed that when Fred Flintoff came in for his final spell, and was carted for 34 runs in 2 overs as compared to 30odd he gave in 8 overs previous to it.
5. Pathan badly used by Dhoni? I disagree. Pathan was promoted ahead of Dhoni in the batting order which in itself is a huge encouragement, for it showed the faith of the captain in him, though he failed miserably. And in his first over he was carted for a six and gave 10 runs, but still was given another chance, which also failed. Pathan was introduced ahead of Bhajji also, which again shows the confidence in him. And despite the battering he got in early, he was again brought in at the end, when he got a wicket purely due to umpiring error.
6. One last point. Regarding RP Singh's bowling. He looked absolutely out of place in the Indian side there today. Completely lacking match practise, struggled to get his rhythm, line and length. Was carted. And was even worse in the field, where he misfielded atleast two boundaries. Guilty to a large extent of letting England get to a 200+ score.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
that was so close, it is surreal...
