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Don't agree at all with punitive measures based on runs. I reckon every run and wicket should be earnt via performance in Tests, not used as a punishment bargaining chip. There's got to be a method via negotiation; we're talking about adults here and professionals, time everyone involved started acting like it.
 

Precambrian

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Gambhir MOTS for me. Was simply brilliant for the vast majority of the series, attacked with flair, defended properly and accumulated the runs whilst almost never looking like getting out.
Ok. But he surely had the advantage of flat roads. Ishant took these wickets despite that.
 

silentstriker

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Don't agree at all with punitive measures based on runs. I reckon every run and wicket should be earnt via performance in Tests, not used as a punishment bargaining chip.
But there is punishment already for things, like ball tampering, that's in runs.

There's got to be a method via negotiation; we're talking about adults here and professionals, time everyone involved started acting like it.
That's the point though. Professional players will do whatever they can to win, and the point of penalties is to make the punishment greater than the reward. It will not work any other way.
 

FaaipDeOiad

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Don't agree at all with punitive measures based on runs. I reckon every run and wicket should be earnt via performance in Tests, not used as a punishment bargaining chip. There's got to be a method via negotiation; we're talking about adults here and professionals, time everyone involved started acting like it.
I agree, but we have a problem when a captain could (theoretically, this hasn't actually happened) just say "alright, I'll deliberately slow down the overs and cop my fine/suspension in order to win this test". That's a problem, because the result has still been unfairly altered, even if the guy cops a one match ban afterwards or something. It's kinda like the chucking thing, it's all well and good to impose a ban after the fact, but if the person breaking the rules alters the course of a match, you've got a problem that needs an on-field fix.

So yeah, I think if they are going to get serious about over rates, like with apparently threatening Ponting with a ban during the break yesterday, they need an on-field solution with actual repercussions.
 

pup11

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Gambhir MOTS for me. Was simply brilliant for the vast majority of the series, attacked with flair, defended properly and accumulated the runs whilst almost never looking like getting out.
No its Sharma for me, on dead pitches like the one' we had bowling and fast bowling in particular has been really tough, but Sharma has been head and shoulders above every bowlers in this series so he deserves to awarded as the MOTS, but considering its a batsmen' game Gambhir might get it in the end.
 

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That's the point though. Professional players will do whatever they can to win, and the point of penalties is to make the punishment greater than the reward. It will not work any other way.
Treat them like kids and they'll act like it. Everyone's quick to hit the punitive hot-button when they don't like something, it's ultimately counter-productive, poisons any goodwill. You think stuff like over-rates becoming an issue and worsening player opinion of ICC/CA/BCCI/etc. aren't related?

I don't blame the players for pushing the rules to their limits. I absolutely lay the blame for this issue at adminstrator's feet. Going ahead and imposing more rules on the players will just further their belief that the admins haven't got their or the game's best interests at heart. And they'd be right. Gotta be more creative than this.
 

silentstriker

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Treat them like kids and they'll act like it. Everyone's quick to hit the punitive hot-button when they don't like something, it's ultimately counter-productive, poisons any goodwill. You think stuff like over-rates becoming an issue and worsening player opinion of ICC/CA/BCCI/etc. aren't related?

I don't blame the players for pushing the rules to their limits. I absolutely lay the blame for this issue at adminstrator's feet.
But they've been asking the captains to be adults for years now by just have a paper-penalty. It's clearly not working.
 

pup11

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I agree, but we have a problem when a captain could (theoretically, this hasn't actually happened) just say "alright, I'll deliberately slow down the overs and cop my fine/suspension in order to win this test". That's a problem, because the result has still been unfairly altered, even if the guy cops a one match ban afterwards or something. It's kinda like the chucking thing, it's all well and good to impose a ban after the fact, but if the person breaking the rules alters the course of a match, you've got a problem that needs an on-field fix.

So yeah, I think if they are going to get serious about over rates, like with apparently threatening Ponting with a ban during the break yesterday, they need an on-field solution with actual repercussions.
That's where the umpires need to throw their weight around on the field AFAIC, as soon as the umpires realise that the bowling team or the batting team are intentionally slowing down the game or using overly negative tactics, the umpires should step in and try to rectify the issue.
 

FaaipDeOiad

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RRR at 3.87 right now assuming the full allotment of overs is bowled, BTW.

Started the day at 4.1.

edit: Not seriously entertaining the prospect of an Australian win, mind you. India have this one in the bag if they break this partnership.
 

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But they've been asking the captains to be adults for years now by just have a paper-penalty. It's clearly not working.
You're still blaming the players. Why should they respect their masters when their masters aren't worthy of respect? It's a far more complex issue than "Bad players. BAD!".
 

vic_orthdox

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The biggest problem is that you can only go for half an hour after play, due to the TV companies' complaints because they don't want to be unable to show the game. So when teams were slow, it'd mean that they'd have to stay out there until they bowled all their overs.

Since this rule came in, which cuts off all play 30 minutes after play, we see less and less of 90 overs being bowled in a day, which can actively advantage a side.
 

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