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[Burgey]

He is getting hit for fours.

Four of five of 'em through slips TBF.

 

[Precambrian]

Hypothetical:

Match referee walks into a dressing room and says "Tone the language/ banter/ sledging down fellas. It's not good for the game".

Captain says "Thanks, we'll do better" then goes out and sledges worse, just to spite the referee.

It's his 1st offence, he only cops a fine on appeal.

We can't have it that way. You have laws, rules, playing conditions and you have to abide by them.

There's no fault here on Dhoni's part in doing what he's doing, as the playing conditions and penalties involved allow him to do it. The problem lies with the set up of the rules etc.

Having said that, from a purely tactical POV, if he bowls Sharma and Zaheer into the ground between lunch and tea and Australia are still in a decent enough position at that time (unlikely), his options will be a bit ragged in the last session.

AWTA. And the worse thing is that Ponting could get banned still (he was way way off required OR yesterday, even at close) and Dhoni get away with a smaller fine, despite being worse than Ponting.

 

[inbox24]

Would be nice to see Hayden hit some form before NZ series with a big ton. Watto in the runs would be awesome as well.

Johnson for a 50 here, should be promoted /broken record.

Don't know why but love my Queensland players. This uni keyboard has a disgusting amount of dandruff on it ftr.

Which uni?

 

[Burgey]

Out of interest, say a captain's off the field for nearly a whole session, comes back on and at the end the over rate is mud, but it became mud when the VC was in charge, and got a bit better when skipper came back.

Wonder what they'd do then?

 

[social]

Out of interest, say a captain's off the field for nearly a whole session, comes back on and at the end the over rate is mud, but it became mud when the VC was in charge, and got a bit better when skipper came back.

Wonder what they'd do then?

If that was a potential loophole, makes you wonder why Ponting didnt sit out part of yesterday and let Cam White captain the side and carry the can.

At least we know he wouldnt have bowled himself!

 

[silentstriker]

Hypothetical:

Match referee walks into a dressing room and says "Tone the language/ banter/ sledging down fellas. It's not good for the game".

Captain says "Thanks, we'll do better" then goes out and sledges worse, just to spite the referee.

It's his 1st offence, he only cops a fine on appeal.

We can't have it that way. You have laws, rules, playing conditions and you have to abide by them.

I agree. It's up to the administrators to make sure it doesn't happen though. The advantages you get from employing tactics like this are way more beneficial than any potential penalties. Even a ban is worth it. Chappell wants bans - but they aren't the answer. In an important series like this, a captain will take the ban any day.

The only way to fix it is to make the risk/reward ratio completely unacceptable for the captains.

Now, if the referee gave a warning about sledging/abuse and then the umpire added five runs for every sledge - that'd shut the players up very fast. Same thing here. Add five-six runs per over that you're behind, and do it every session. So right now Dhoni being eight overs behind, would be fined 32 runs. Would stop it within a day.

 

[Burgey]

Aye. I like that.

Arent' you a mathematician? 8 overs down at 5-6 RPO = 32? God bless you SS!!!!

Also like the suggestions in the O-Rate thread too about getting a consultant in at ICC expense to work out where the time is wasted after looking at 5-10 tests so the countries can be informed about where they can try and save time, given there's been about 50 posts on that thread, all with different suggestions as to what the answer is.

 

[social]

I agree. It's up to the administrators to make sure it doesn't happen though. The advantages you get from employing tactics like this are way more beneficial than any potential penalties. Even a ban is worth it. Chappell wants bans - but they aren't the answer. In an important series like this, a captain will take the ban any day.

The only way to fix it is to make the risk/reward ratio completely unacceptable for the captains.

Now, if the referee gave a warning about sledging/abuse and then the umpire added five runs for every sledge - that'd shut the players up very fast. Same thing here. Add five-six runs per over that you're behind, and do it every session. So right now Dhoni being eight overs behind, would be fined 32 runs. Would stop it within a day.

Agree that it has to be something meaningful

Fines dont work as some of the players are millionaires

Penalising them runs, stopping them taking new balls after the scheduled close of play, fielding restrictions, etc are likely to hit them harder than the existing penalties

 

[Precambrian]

I agree. It's up to the administrators to make sure it doesn't happen though. The advantages you get from employing tactics like this are way more beneficial than any potential penalties. Even a ban is worth it. Chappell wants bans - but they aren't the answer. In an important series like this, a captain will take the ban any day.

The only way to fix it is to make the risk/reward ratio completely unacceptable for the captains.

Now, if the referee gave a warning about sledging/abuse and then the umpire added five runs for every sledge - that'd shut the players up very fast. Same thing here. Add five-six runs per over that you're behind, and do it every session. So right now Dhoni being eight overs behind, would be fined 32 runs. Would stop it within a day.

Ah yes, Runs penalty is the only possible solution to all this Shmuck.

 

[Precambrian]

Ishant has been superbly GUN this series. He has taken 14 wickets @ a terrific 26 average so far. And would have been even better had INdia's fielding not been so bad. And majority of his wickets have been top order players. Smashin. I think he should get the MoS.

 

[Jnr.]

Ah yes, Runs penalty is the only possible solution to all this Shmuck.

And what if the batsmen waste time to get those penalty runs?

 

[silentstriker]

Aye. I like that.

Arent' you a mathematician? 8 overs down at 5-6 RPO = 32? God bless you SS!!!!

Haha. I said four based on the Aussie's run rates for the last ten overs. I'd be fine with doing it based on the current RR or a set number (has to be high like four-five).

Also like the suggestions in the O-Rate thread too about getting a consultant in at ICC expense to work out where the time is wasted after looking at 5-10 tests so the countries can be informed about where they can try and save time, given there's been about 50 posts on that thread, all with different suggestions as to what the answer is.

I'm OK with that. Though the fact that they all seem to be able to catch up and bowl 19 overs an hour if they want to shows me who is at fault here. If they can bowl 19 with part timers, they can do 15 with their normal guys.

 

[Precambrian]

And what if the batsmen waste time to get those penalty runs?

Obviously that will be deducted

 

[silentstriker]

And what if the batsmen waste time to get those penalty runs?

Punish them too. It's the same thing. If you waste time, you'll cop a penalty where it hurts. Fines don't hurt, bans hurt only slightly, especially in big games.

 

[silentstriker]

And what if the batsmen waste time to get those penalty runs?

Same thing they do now, that time is not counted against the fielding team.

 

[Jnr.]

Punish them too. It's the same thing. If you waste time, you'll cop a penalty where it hurts. Fines don't hurt, bans hurt only slightly, especially in big games.

How will the umpires decide which team (batting or fielding) has wasted the most time, objectively?

 

[Precambrian]

I have a feeling this session will determine the outcome of this series.

 

[Precambrian]

How will the umpires decide which team (batting or fielding) has wasted the most time, objectively?

Shouldnt be too tough. By watching the game.

 

[silentstriker]

How will the umpires decide which team (batting or fielding) has wasted the most time, objectively?

They do it right now though. We have video cameras right now, someone in the booth can verify if a captain objects.

 

[pasag]

Gambhir MOTS for me. Was simply brilliant for the vast majority of the series, attacked with flair, defended properly and accumulated the runs whilst almost never looking like getting out.