Ricky Ponting should be sacked

[dontcloseyoureyes]

he is possibly one of the most unworthy baggy green recipients i've seen, clarke will get it, period

No, that's Jason Krezja you're thinking of. White's the bloke who's led Victoria to one of their most successful periods of domestic cricket (and to all three finals last year) by being one of the best young batsmen in the country.

It's not his fault he was picked as a bowler when he's obviously a batsman.

 

[NUFAN]

Hey Prince, I probably should have added the word "yet" RE: showing any signs of leadership.

I know he was talked about as a FAC back at WA and has showed cricketing "naus" at domestic level, just hasn't seen in at Test level yet.

The answer may be different this time next year but probably not.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Indeed, laughed at the comments regarding him never playing another Test etc.

It's not his fault he was picked as a bowler when he clearly is a specialist batsman (talented one at that), one of the cleanest strikers going around and only 25, big future in the middle order.

Yea, he is a fantastic batsman when he gets going. Not sure about his 4/5 day credentials though. I've seen him hit some of the biggest 6s going when he played for Somerset a few years back.

 

[Rant0r]

No, that's Jason Krezja you're thinking of. White's the bloke who's led Victoria to one of their most successful periods of domestic cricket (and to all three finals last year) by being one of the best young batsmen in the country.

It's not his fault he was picked as a bowler when he's obviously a batsman.

the guy just took 12 wickets on debut... white averages 40 in a strong domestic comp where aspiring middle order batsmen average in the 50s

 

[pup11]

Ponting has to be sacked, his captaincy was always average but his atrocious tat tics more or less have gone unnoticed due to the kind of players he has had, but with Australia now going through a transition period Australia need a better captain who could drive the best out of each of his players, the best thing to do would be to ask Warne to comeback and lead the Aussie test side, and give the ODI captaincy to Clarke.

If Warne doesn't comeback then i think it would be worth it to hand over the reigns of the side to Clarke, whatever little i have seen of him as captain he has been decent, but i don't think Clarke stature as a player is yet as high as what you expect an Australian captain' stature to be, but still i think he would do better job then Ponting.

Ponting is great player, but being a great player don't necessarily turn you into a great captain, and i think his time as captain is over, but realistically speaking i seriously doubt he would be stripped of his captaincy for as long as he plays.

 

[PhoenixFire]

the guy just took 12 wickets on debut... white averages 40 in a strong domestic comp where aspiring middle order batsmen average in the 50s

The fact that Krezja got 12 wickets doesn't mean that the initial selection was anything other than a poor one (at best). I'm not sure what logic there is in picking a bowler for a Test side who has an FC bowling average of >50.....

 

[Swervy]

The fact that Krezja got 12 wickets doesn't mean that the initial selection was anything other than a poor one (at best). I'm not sure what logic there is in picking a bowler for a Test side who has an FC bowling average of >50.....

because it isnt always about averages?????

 

[PhoenixFire]

Well obviously it isn't always about averages, but picking someone for the best Test side in the world who has averaged >50 in 26 FC games just defies belief.

IMO you simply can't average >50 over 26 FC games and warrant a Test selection unless there are some extremely abnormal circumstances; in Krejza's case, there wasn't.

 

[Johnners]

"We were behind in our overs, we'd used our fast bowlers before the tea break and had some success, the consequence or offshoot of bowling our fast bowlers for most of the day before that was that we were down in our over rate," Australian coach Tim Nielsen said.

"We had a responsibility to catch that up.

"On top of that they had a good partnership after tea that took momentum away from us and that's the way the day panned out.

"Everybody's aware of the consequences of the captain being more than six overs down at the end of the match - the captain then is put in a place where he can be suspended."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24626906-23212,00.html

Basically tells us what we already know, doesn't exactly explain who's decision it was though.

 

[Hoggy31]

the guy just took 12 wickets on debut... white averages 40 in a strong domestic comp where aspiring middle order batsmen average in the 50s

D. Huss and Hodge were the only middle order rivals to outscore him in the shield last year, they're 6 and 8 years White's senior respectively. Whilst the talent has always been there, he's only really imposed himself as a consistent batsman in the past 2-3 seasons and I expect him to keep going.

 

[Matt79]

Well obviously it isn't always about averages, but picking someone for the best Test side in the world who has averaged >50 in 26 FC games just defies belief.

IMO you simply can't average >50 over 26 FC games and warrant a Test selection unless there are some extremely abnormal circumstances; in Krejza's case, there wasn't.

Everyone better was either injured, retired, or out of the country, and our pace attack had utterly failed to do the job in the first three tests? Abnormal circumstances for mine.

 

[Prince EWS]

The fact that Krezja got 12 wickets doesn't mean that the initial selection was anything other than a poor one (at best). I'm not sure what logic there is in picking a bowler for a Test side who has an FC bowling average of >50.....

He averaged in the mid to high 40s when he was picked to tour. I know it's a small point but the amount of people who mention the 50+ thing despite it being incorrect at the time of his selection is astounding.

Anyway, as I said at the time of his selection and as remains truer to the day, he was selected for the conditions. Bowling flighted off breaks in Australian First Class cricket doesn't work because they rarely turn: given he's such an attacking bowler and given he isn't the most accurate bowler of all-time, he was regularly attacked with success. In India the pitches were always going to offer him something so it was a selection based on astute knowledge of the bowler, really.

"Undeserving" - yeah sure, he'd done nothing at First Class level to deserve his selection and he's quite possibly the most "undeserving" player to play a Test for Australia in the last hundred years based on his First Class record. "Poor" though - no, not at all. Best option available given the conditions by quite a distance.

 

[Rant0r]

Well obviously it isn't always about averages, but picking someone for the best Test side in the world who has averaged >50 in 26 FC games just defies belief.

IMO you simply can't average >50 over 26 FC games and warrant a Test selection unless there are some extremely abnormal circumstances; in Krejza's case, there wasn't.

warne played about 3-4 fc games before he was picked then took 1/150, krejza took 12 wickets, not that i'm saying he will be a warne, but not everything is black and white.

speaking of white, i still think he is a fair way back in the pecking order for middle order players, one day specialist that one, has a good eye, that's about it

 

[James90]

the guy just took 12 wickets on debut... white averages 40 in a strong domestic comp where aspiring middle order batsmen average in the 50s

To quote Jack White, "you can't take the effect and make it the cause".

Krejza's PC/SS average was around 50 going into this test. Probably the most undeserving Australian selection since Peter Siddle.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Fair enough, I admit I'm not massively clued up about the state of domestic Australian Cricket. But it does seem incredible TSTL that there isn't a better spinner (that is/was fit) than him in the country who has without doubt the best domestic and developement in the world.

 

[Precambrian]

A player missing matches should always be discouraged where possible. There is absolutely no way the attitude "oh well Clarke can captain and Hussey can play, so never mind" should be taken.

Taking anyone lightly, even New Zealand, would be extremely unwise for Australia at the current time.

A test is not a big price when bloody test series is at stake.

 

[Matt79]

Fair enough, I admit I'm not massively clued up about the state of domestic Australian Cricket. But it does seem incredible TSTL that there isn't a better spinner (that is/was fit) than him in the country who has without doubt the best domestic and developement in the world.

And yet here we are...

 

[Matt79]

To quote Jack White, "you can't take the effect and make it the cause".

Krejza's PC/SS average was around 60 going into this test. Probably the most undeserving Australian selection since Peter Siddle.

Not all fast bowlers have to come from Qld or NSW...

 

[PhoenixFire]

warne played about 3-4 fc games before he was picked then took 1/150, krejza took 12 wickets, not that i'm saying he will be a warne, but not everything is black and white.

The difference being that Warne had probably shown that he was an exception by then. I remember Ravi Shastri being interviewed about the game in a Warne tribute programme and saying 'He could have bowled much worse and got 5 wickets.' As far as I know, Krejza hasn't shown himself to be an exceptional bowler.

 

[Rant0r]

Everyone better was either injured, retired, or out of the country, and our pace attack had utterly failed to do the job in the first three tests? Abnormal circumstances for mine.

anyone remember shaun young from tassie being picked in england in 97 when they were depleted with injury and he was playing league cricket ? wasnt a bad player actually, but right place right time, never would have played otherwise.