Add Jason Krejza to that list.
It's a pretty dumb thing to say..why would Australia have heard of new guys in our lineup regardless of how good they are? Do they follow our domestic competition?
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It's a pretty dumb thing to say..why would Australia have heard of new guys in our lineup regardless of how good they are? Do they follow our domestic competition?
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Just to be clear, you're talking about the current series in India here, yeah?
No, i'm talking about over their careers.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
I congratulate you on watching every single delivery of their careers, but to say they've never moved the ball off the seam is erroneous. Yes, they are unlikely to move the ball off the seam, but they have done it.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Johnson gets reverse away from the right hander and does get some sort of wobble with the new ball and seam movement and so your comment has a touch of the hyperbole.
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
yea AWTA, you are being as pedantic as Wayne Barnes was this morning.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Don't make incredibly sweeping statements, then.Oh ffs
And I thought I was pedantic.
Would saying Dale Steyn is an outswing bowler be a sweeping statement? After all, not every single ball in his career he has bowled has been an outswinger.
Yep, i've seen Johnson get reverse if the conditions suit but in terms of the new ball i've never seen him get conventional swing. His seam position is all over the place.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
No, it wouldn't because you're giving him a descriptive tag. Saying he's only an outswing bowler would be a sweeping statement.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Have seen him get a bit of swing with the new pill, but nothing really that threatening. Have seen him swing a new ball in OD cricket with deadly results, though (helped by good swing conditions) but that isn't relevant to Tests.
Can you not see how pedantic and stupid you are being? I didn't literally mean Watson and Johnson have never swung any ball they have bowled or got it to move off the straight. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Hey, I know, let's go and make sweeping statements which are wrong then contradict ourselves and insult others!
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Anyways....
Who's going to fill Australia's number 6 and 4th bowling option behind Lee, Clark and Johnson?
Watson and Krejza have the inside running, but will Krejza be needed at the Gabba especially if Symonds somehow gets selected?
So Krejza, Noffke, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus and I suppose Siddle and even White [lol] to fill the 4th bowling spot.
Watson and Symonds and I guess whoever the next best middle order batter is, but this is doubtful.
Who's going to fill Australia's number 6 and 4th bowling option behind Lee, Clark and Johnson?
Watson and Krejza have the inside running, but will Krejza be needed at the Gabba especially if Symonds somehow gets selected?
So Krejza, Noffke, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus and I suppose Siddle and even White [lol] to fill the 4th bowling spot.
Watson and Symonds and I guess whoever the next best middle order batter is, but this is doubtful.
Mister Wright
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Don't think Watson had done enough to keep his spot ahead of Symonds. Think it would be ridiculous of the selectors not to pick Symonds, especially if they have said he's ready in return.
Do you know what a generalisation is? As a general rule, Johnson and Watson DO NOT move the ball. Obviously i'm talking about the majority of balls they bowl, of course they will have moved balls throughout their careers, but generally they do not move it. What are you failing to understand about what I have been saying?
Also, where have I insulted anyone?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I was pretty much the only member on this forum I know of who agreed with the decision of taking Krejza to India, but even I don't think he should play at home, regardless of his figures in this Test match. Symonds at 6 with four quicks for mine.
I'd love it if Watson and Krejza played because they're two of my favourite cricketers and I've supported them for a long time now, but I don't think they're the best options at home really. Four quicks is a must at home for mine (at least until a spinner starts doing something consistently at First Class level in the same conditions) and despite the fact that I have more faith in Watson as a Test cricketer than Symonds, Watson's bowling wouldn't be particularly useful with four quicks already in the team and Symonds has proven a lot more with the bat anyway.
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NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
I know what you mean, but it could possibly be of great benefit to have a frontline spinner in our XI, especially if Watson is retained.
I don't think Symonds has done enough to get into the Test side. He did make a decent half century in the first innings of the last Shield match, but for the most part he's been not too good and looked pretty poor in the last Ford Ranger match [not the best indicator I know]. He hasn't done anything of note bowling wise either.
It still makes up a pretty interesting argument on who will be the fourth bowler, I can't see Bollinger being selected as he'd be completely out of match practice, which is unfortunate for him.